wireless icon in system tray

Discussion in 'Wireless Internet' started by William Saens, May 11, 2006.

  1. I have a Sony Vaio and use it with a home 801b wireless network. Usually
    when I am on the network a little connection icon (single computer) shows in
    the system tray. If I hover the pointer over it, this reveals the network
    name, connections speed and signal strength. Sometimes, even though I am on
    the network, the icon doesn't show up.

    I find the icon very useful and would like to have it all the time. Why is
    it there sometimes and not there others? What might be the procedure to
    correct this?


    William Saens, May 11, 2006
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  2. William Saens

    Duane Arnold Guest

    If you're talking about a MS NT based O/S like XP, then it's a hit or
    miss situation as to when those icons will show in the job tray (area
    next to the clock).

    I don't know man. I here it's due to user profile corruption, which if
    you search Google you may find something. Someone in another NG made a
    post for a possible fix for it. I don't know if it will fix it or not
    all I know is that MS should fix it as it's been happening for a long
    time on the NT based O/S.

    Duane :)
    Duane Arnold, May 11, 2006
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  3. William Saens

    Steffo Guest

    Start, settings, taskbar and start menu, customize (bottom right), choose
    "always show" next to "wireless network connection", OK, Apply (bottom right
    corner), OK and you are done.
    Steffo, May 11, 2006
  4. William Saens

    Duane Arnold Guest

    I am sure it's not going to hold, because that's not the problem with
    those icons showing or not showing when the NT based O/S is booted and
    the user logs on.

    Duane :)
    Duane Arnold, May 11, 2006
  5. Thanks guys for the ideas. BTW, I am using Windows XP Home Ed on that
    laptop with SP2 and it's fairly up to date. I am going to try the tray icon
    traits through the Start button as mention in this thread and see if that
    nails it.

    William Saens, May 11, 2006
  6. William Saens

    John Navas Guest

    [POSTED TO alt.internet.wireless - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    See if the icon is being hidden in the (<) area. If so, use Taskbar
    Properties to keep it from being hidden.

    In <wUJ8g.68815$> on Thu, 11 May 2006 12:47:29
    John Navas, May 11, 2006
  7. William Saens

    Duane Arnold Guest

    I am telling you now it's not going to work. That problem has been there
    since Win 2K that I know about.

    I have several icons down in that system tray area on my laptop using XP
    Pro from SQL server to NOD32. I know they are running because they are
    services. But those icons are not there on this boot of the machine and
    logon process. The next time I boot this laptop, they will most likely
    show the ones that were missing, some others might not show or they all
    might show. <g>

    It happened when this laptop was running Win 2K too. It happened a
    couple of times on the desktop machines running those O/S(s) but since I
    don't boot the desktop machines that much, it really doesn't matter.

    The icons in the system trey will disappear and is particularly true if
    it is a laptop where you are constantly booting the machine. ;-)

    Duane :)
    Duane Arnold, May 11, 2006
  8. William Saens

    Rico Guest

    Sounds like there is an intermittant issue with explorer starting when you
    boot up. I've seen this before and in that case it was explorer was
    crashing and restarting. I have forgotten how we got explorer (the desktop)
    to stop crashing (it was some service I think). You might check the logs
    and see if an entry is being made when this has happens.

    fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
    Rico, May 12, 2006
  9. William Saens

    Duane Arnold Guest

    I'll take a look it from that angle.

    Duane :)
    Duane Arnold, May 12, 2006
  10. William Saens

    John Navas Guest

    [POSTED TO alt.internet.wireless - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <pcO8g.1422$> on Thu, 11 May 2006
    Disappearing system tray icons is indeed a real problem, but I've never seen
    it happen with the wireless connection icon. The problem comes from apps that
    don't refresh their icons properly, but AFAIK that's not the case with the
    Windows XP wireless connection icon.
    John Navas, May 12, 2006
  11. William Saens

    Duane Arnold Guest

    But if one boots the machine and the icons are a hit or miss situation
    showing in the system trey, then that's another matter, because there is
    no refresh of icons to be refreshed as the system is being booted. I
    know about the refresh icons properly thing with some applications and I
    have seen it happen with a little square (place holder) on the system
    trey but no icon showing. This is no icon showing at boot period and no
    place holder there either. It's simply not there.

    I can use MSconfig and check off and back on something save and boot the
    machine and the icon would show. But I soon got tired of that as all the
    icons I have in the system tray are UI applications that interface with
    a service application I know is running.

    I was told it was due to a corrupted user profile.

    Duane :)
    Duane Arnold, May 13, 2006
  12. I've never seen the wireless icon disappear, but others certainly tend
    to be a problem. Here's some net wisdom on the topic. It seems to
    have something to do with UPnP. I'm not sure if any of the advice
    offered is applicable:
    Jeff Liebermann, May 13, 2006
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    Peter Pan Guest

    First of all, I don't have an absoltue answer/solution either, however I did
    find some interesting info. Apparently there is a system icon cache area in
    memory, it's fixed size (but you can change the amount of memory allocated
    for it), and as you run more stuff that needs a space in it, the memory for
    it/progs in it/addresses/etc are pushed down, and may get dropped off the
    list/swapped to virtual memory/etc. The main solution I have seen (again not
    guaranteed), is to add more main memory and increase the system icon cache

    The best analogy I ran across, was that it is similar to the stack of cell
    phone numbers at a specific cell cite. As phones are registered (by calling
    in&out/turned on/ etc), the phone number is added to the top of the stack,
    and if the stack is full, the bottom one gets pushed off. Unpredictable, but
    the chance of a phone getting pushed of is limited by the cell provider
    increasing the list size/and memory.

    If you don't mind spending a few bucks, there are some programs out there
    (about $15), that fix the cache size and stuff in real memory...
    Peter Pan, May 13, 2006
  14. "Change the icon cache size in Windows XP Pro"
    Reading the above URL, it seems the icon cache is sized by the
    *NUMBER* of icons, folders, programs, shortcuts, etc, and not by their
    size. The default is 500, which I would think should be sufficient. I
    guess not.

    I just followed the articles advice, created an entry, and set it to
    2000. The desktop now repaints much faster. I dunno if this will
    help the disappearing system tray icon problem, but it seems like a
    worthwhile change.
    Jeff Liebermann, May 13, 2006
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    Peter Pan Guest

    Unfortunately, that is for the DESKTOP icon cache, NOT the SYSTEM TRAY icon
    cache. Two different things (but the system icon cache area has a setting
    for size of it's own)... Had a url for changing the SYSTEM tray icon cache
    area, but it's in my notes at home (in Idaho and i'm on vacation in Vegas..
    Guess what happens in Idaho stays in Idaho :)
    Peter Pan, May 13, 2006
  16. William Saens

    AnthonyL Guest

    That may solve the annoying screen refreshes I get when I close down
    various folders.

    Going back to the OP I have had successes with the system tray problem
    (in general and not necessarily to do with wireless) sometimes by
    running a script I found on the net called xp_pastitems.vbs and other
    times by running the NTREGOPT.EXE routine that comes with the free
    ERUNT registry backup program. Lots of hits in google for either

    AnthonyL, May 13, 2006
  17. William Saens

    Peter Pan Guest

    That was the same desktop icon stuff, not the system tray icon area.. I did
    find part of an old post in one of my email folders..and that also has to do
    with what jeff said about PNP...
    <start paste>

    from http://www.annoyances.org/exec/forum/winxp/t1033917042

    Ok, "fixed" means go to www.grc.com, download UNPNP.EXE and disable the
    system service. That's it!!!
    <end paste>
    Peter Pan, May 13, 2006
  18. (AnthonyL) hath wroth:
    ERUNT and NTREGOPT. Both are Freeware.
    I've used ERUNT for backing up the registry before applying various
    risky fixes. I still use System Restore for XP, but NTREGOPT for W2K.
    SCANREG for W95-98.

    I hadn't tried NTREGOPT so I just ran it on my W2K home computah. 3%
    reduction in registry size to about 33Mbytes. Not too bad considering
    that I also use Registry Mechanic ($30)
    which does the same thing.

    One can go literally wild with registry tweaks. See:
    Item #53 is the xp_pastitems.vbs script. Looks harmless enough and is
    probably more useful cleaning up the mess that some USB removeable
    drivers leave behind. Worth a try, methinks.

    I have the bad habit of blaming almost any anomoly on spyware, viruii,
    worms, trojans, downloaders, etc. Most often, it's true. When the
    machine starts acting weird, such as system tray problems, there's
    usually something wrong on startup. Most often, I suspect it's the
    result of a *partial* spyware or virus removal, where the vermin fails
    to start, or tries to repair itself. By the time I'm done with the
    usual virus and spyware removal tools and techniques, the system tray
    problems always seem to fix themselves.
    Jeff Liebermann, May 13, 2006
  19. Careful. I didn't say disable Plug-n-Play. I said disable Universal
    Plug and Play (UPnP) which is totally unrelated to PnP.
    What will we do when we run out of TLA's?
    I'll resist temptation and not rant on what I think of Steve Gibson's
    Jeff Liebermann, May 13, 2006
  20. William Saens

    John Navas Guest

    [POSTED TO alt.internet.wireless - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]

    In <RK89g.1695$> on Fri, 12 May 2006
    It can actually even be a problem at bootup. There is refreshing of icons
    when the settings and desktop are loaded, depending on what sequence
    applications load and what else is going on -- it's apparently a timing issue
    as well. Logging off and then back on will often bring missing icons back,
    but that's not a sure thing either.
    Corrupted icon cache may be a factor, but apparently only because some
    applications don't refresh their System Tray icons properly.
    John Navas, May 13, 2006
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