Win 98 computer "sees" xp home/pro but not visa versa ~ not consis

Discussion in 'Windows Networking' started by =?Utf-8?B?S3Jpc3RpIEI=?=, Jan 26, 2006.

  1. I have four computers networked for iinternet sharing on a Linksys router.
    All can access the Internet independently (that's a great thing!). The
    Notebook (Xp Pro) can "see" the XP Home and the XP Pro Towers in it's
    workgroup. The XP Home tower can see the Notebook only. The Xp Pro Tower can
    see the Notebook. The Win 98 can see the Notebook and the Xp Pro Tower. I
    don't understand why all the xp's don't see each other or seem to see each
    other intermittently. Sometimes I think it depends upon which computers are
    turned on first. I also don't know why none see the Win 98 SE. I know
    recently I printed something off the Win 98 printer from the Notebook, so it
    must have been networked the (last weekend) but it's not now. I've determined
    that the IP address on the WIN 98 is 192.168.1.108. I don't know what to do
    with that info, however. I read some posts from Steve Winograd and have tried
    the following on the WIN 98 computer ... disabled "Browse Master", deleted
    IPX/SPX and NetBEUI protocols LInksys support had suggested adding, but had
    to add back ipx/spx because deleting it made the Internet connectivity stop.
    Current network configuration includes: Client for Microsoft Networks,
    Microsoft Family Login, Dial-up Adapter, Linksys Wireless adapter, Toshiba
    USB cable modem (not sure what that is), IPX/SPX for dialup Linksys and
    Toshiba, TCP/IP for dialup Linksys and Toshiba, File and Printer Sharing for
    Microsoft Networks. Thank in advance ...
     
    =?Utf-8?B?S3Jpc3RpIEI=?=, Jan 26, 2006
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  2. I'm sorry that you're having such trouble, Kristi, and I'll do my best
    to help you fix it.

    The "Toshiba USB cable modem" is probably there because the computer
    used to connect directly to a cable modem instead of using a wireless
    network connection. If the computer isn't physically connected to a
    cable modem through a USB cable, you can remove the "Toshiba USB cable
    modem".

    Internet connectivity uses the TCP/IP protocol, and the IPX/SPX
    protocol has nothing to do with it. Something other than removing
    IPX/SPX caused Internet connectivity to stop.

    Linksys is well-known for giving the bad advice to add other
    protocols. That might help, at least temporarily, in a few cases, but
    I don't recommend it, because:

    1. It can make network access unreliable, especially when Windows XP
    is involved.

    2. TCP/IP is the only protocol needed for Internet access and
    file/printer sharing on a Windows network. If network access only
    works after adding other protocols, the fundamental problem remains,
    and it's simply covered over with a bandage of extra protocols. The
    network will never function optimally in such a configuration.

    How are you determining whether a computer can "see" another computer?
    Are you looking in Network Neighborhood and/or My Network Places?
    That type of network browsing is notoriously unreliable, especially
    when Windows XP is involved. If that's what you're doing, try
    accessing another computer directly, by typing the other computer's
    name in the Start | Run box in this format:

    \\computer

    It might help to start over on the Win 98 computer's network settings,
    by removing everything except the Dial-Up Adapter and Linksys Wireless
    Adapter, then adding the TCP/IP protocol, Client for Microsoft
    Networks, and File and Printer Sharing. Those are the only required
    network components.
     
    Steve Winograd [MVP], Jan 26, 2006
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  3. Sorry it's taken so long to get back on this. I tried to write back on 1/26
    and the system was unavailable. Long story; short version. I've got things
    working. I uninstalled all the services (TCP/IP, etc.) and reinstalled those
    you said I needed. It still didn't work.

    I ended up determining that it was the stupid Norton Internet Security [I
    hate that they try to "protect" me and cause me so much extra headaches].
    Once I made an exception in the firewall to allow incoming and outgoing
    TCP/IP connections (and identified the computers to allow through), it is now
    working.

    So those of you with Norton Internet Security, be advised that it might be
    blocking your network. Try disabling the firewall temporarily and see if you
    can connect to your other computers. If so, you'll need to create exceptions
    to allow the computers to reach one another.
     
    =?Utf-8?B?S3Jpc3RpIEI=?=, Feb 2, 2006
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  4. Nice going! You didn't mention a firewall, and I didn't think of
    asking whether there was one. Thanks for reporting the solution.
     
    Steve Winograd [MVP], Feb 2, 2006
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  5. Kristi, I just want to thank you for this useful post. You have saved me a
    lot of extra headaches apart from the many ones I had till now.

    I never thought the problem would be the firewall even though I had some
    other problems before which had to do with the firewall.

    Thank you again.

     
    =?Utf-8?B?QmVnb8OxYQ==?=, Apr 27, 2006
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  6. =?Utf-8?B?S3Jpc3RpIEI=?=

    Muddle Guest

    Be cautious, sometimes the people we love the most are those we should trust
    the least when networking. My son can play the Mp3's I have stored on my
    computer and very little else. That's what a personal computer firewall
    such as NIS is for. Allow Winamp connection from 192.168.103 to
    http://www.pcflank.com/fw_rules_for_app.htm?appid=113 certain ports on
    192.168.101, deny everything else. Read the manual that comes with your
    firewall.

     
    Muddle, May 7, 2006
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