Why Samsung Galaxy S3 has horrid grammar (e.g., "Who do you want tocall?")

Discussion in 'Wireless Internet' started by Donna Olsen, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. Donna Olsen

    Donna Olsen Guest

    What I don't understand is why the makers of the Samsung S-Voice
    consented to the absolutely gratingly horrid grammar, e.g.,
    "Who do you want to call?" (sic)

    A third grader has better English grammar than this brand new phone does.

    My question:
    Can the user to 'fix' the horrid S-Voice grammar?
    How?
     
    Donna Olsen, Oct 9, 2012
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  2. Donna Olsen

    alien8er Guest

    You misspelled "colloquial".
    Try getting in touch with Samsung customer service?


    Mark L. Fergerson
     
    alien8er, Oct 9, 2012
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  3. Donna Olsen

    just me Guest

    Your suggested/preferred/"improved" version would be what, exactly?
    Highly debatable.
     
    just me, Oct 10, 2012
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  4. Donna Olsen

    Donna Olsen Guest

    The personal pronoun "who" follows the same rules as the
    personal pronoun "him".

    So, it must be:
    "Whom do you want to call?"

    Saying "Who do you want to call" sounds to everyone as ridiculous
    as saying "I want to call he" does.

    It's amazing that this egregious error wasn't caught in the
    Samsung testing phase, but I guess they don't speak English
    in Korea so they don't even notice the horrid grammar.

    I wonder if the iPhone is just as bad?
     
    Donna Olsen, Oct 10, 2012
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  5. Donna Olsen

    Jack Campin Guest

    That's an archaic American provincialism. In British English it
    sounds just bizarre. "Whom" is essentially dead.

    No it doesn't. But it is ambiguous. You don't know which way
    the desired call is intended to go. Perhaps Samsung's ad agency
    intended the ambiguity? - in context it might be a clever piece
    of writing. Your preferred version eliminates the alternate
    reading, "who do you want to call [you]?"

    Are you a native speaker of English yourself? Or maybe (given
    the surname) you're from a place like Wisconsin where the main
    language was Swedish until the last couple of generations, and
    you've internalized Swedish grammatical rules?
     
    Jack Campin, Oct 11, 2012
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  6. Well not to "everyone". Probably well over 50% of US users of a cell
    phone would think that "Whom do you want to call" sounds pretentious.
    Of course, that doesn't make them "right"…. It's just that Samsung is
    playing to the market.

    Remember, most purchasers of the S3 are probably teenagers, and
    teenagers listen daily to much worse grammar in their music. Are you
    old enough to remember the cigarette advertisement "Winston tastes
    good, like a cigarette should"? Do you think they would have become
    the #1 selling brand if they'd used "as"?
     
    Charlie Hoffpauir, Oct 11, 2012
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  7. Donna Olsen

    Sqwertz Guest

    If you want to sound like a pretentious prig, then go ahead and say
    "Whom".
    OK, I guess you *do* want to sound like a pretentious prig.

    -sw
     
    Sqwertz, Oct 11, 2012
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  8. Donna Olsen

    Evan Platt Guest

    Because the correct 'whom do you want to call' would sound 'weird'.
    "Can the user to fix"? A third grader has better English grammar than
    that.
    Why?
     
    Evan Platt, Oct 11, 2012
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  9. Donna Olsen

    ProfIJM Guest

    I do hope so in order that it might be corrected to:
    "With whom wouldst thou wisheth to share some saucy intrigue?"

    I,JM
     
    ProfIJM, Oct 11, 2012
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  10. Donna Olsen

    Mr Pumpov Guest

    Marvellous irony!
    I'm convinced there is nothing bad in "Who do you want to call?".
    Maybe it's even more nice-looking than old archaistic "Whom" if you are
    not tidy ass, of course :)
     
    Mr Pumpov, Oct 11, 2012
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  11. Mr Pumpov:
    Me wants to know whether it is your striving for
    beauty or your reluctance to take increased care
    when writing that makes you say this.
     
    Anton Shepelev, Oct 11, 2012
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  12. Donna Olsen

    Mr Pumpov Guest

    I don't approve uncompromising ossified views on English grammar. It has
    rights to change.
     
    Mr Pumpov, Oct 11, 2012
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  13. Mr Pumpov:
    Your assumption of my views' being so is plain
    wrong.

    But my quesiton as to the reasons you approve this
    certain "chage" you didn't anwer.
     
    Anton Shepelev, Oct 11, 2012
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  14. Sorry, typo here. Should be "change".
     
    Anton Shepelev, Oct 11, 2012
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  15. Donna Olsen

    Warren Oates Guest

    Wherefore is this important?
     
    Warren Oates, Oct 11, 2012
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  16. Donna Olsen

    Warren Oates Guest

    There are a lot of people who (even now) excoriate Mr. Roddenberry and
    his group for splitting that infinitive so that people all over the
    English speaking world would never go boldly anywhere if they could
    boldly go instead, mostly because it sounded better and who the hell
    cares?
     
    Warren Oates, Oct 11, 2012
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  17. Donna Olsen

    Johannes Guest

    If you want to sound like a uneducated moron, then, go ahead: say 'who'.
     
    Johannes, Oct 11, 2012
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  18. Donna Olsen

    Simone D. Guest

    You do realize that, to every educated person, 'who' not only sounds
    weird, but it is just horrid grammar!
    I admit, I made an accidental typographic error. I apologize.
     
    Simone D., Oct 11, 2012
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  19. The reason for this disagreement is that in many versions of informal
    English "whom" is dying out. Some people never use it. That does not
    mean they are uneducated morons.
     
    Peter Duncanson (BrE), Oct 11, 2012
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  20. Many educated people do not find it sounds weird, even if they
    themselves would use "whom". A change in the language is taking place,
    and has been fro a long time.

    The OED says of "whom":

    The objective case of who pron.: no longer current in natural
    colloquial speech.

    That entry in the dictionary dates from 1924.
     
    Peter Duncanson (BrE), Oct 11, 2012
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