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Discussion in 'Wireless Internet' started by danny burstein, Jun 30, 2008.

  1. Good writeup about "skyhook" technology, which had a bunch of
    their workers drive around the country and marking down the
    locations of umptity umptity umptity 802.11 signals...

    "... Metropolitan areas today are blanketed by overlapping
    Wi-Fi signals. At a typical Manhattan intersection, you might
    be in range of 20 base stations.

    "Skyhook's big idea: If you could somehow correlate those
    beacon signals with their physical locations, you could
    pinpoint your own location, G.P.S.-style, but without G.P.S.."

    rest:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/technology/personaltech/26pogue.html
     
    danny burstein, Jun 30, 2008
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  2. danny burstein

    LR Guest

    The idea has been around around for quite a while.
    http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6058
    http://placelab.org/
    I don't know what happened to it but since they considered
    using WIGLE for the database I presume they didn't have sufficient funds
    to create a sufficiently large one of their own. Given the rate at which
    some people change their equipment any database has the potential for
    large errors, although the cell tower option would probably be more stable.
     
    LR, Jun 30, 2008
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  3. Don't forget about Microsoft Location Finder:
    <http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...6-3697-4906-a239-f4222c91e324&DisplayLang=en>
    It uses wi-fi access point locations. If that's not avaiable, it uses
    reverse DNS lookup.

    Then, there's Loki for social networking:
    <http://www.loki.com>

    and of course, Google Maps:
    <http://www.google.com/mobile/default/maps/index.html>
     
    Jeff Liebermann, Jul 1, 2008
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  4. danny burstein

    dold Guest

    It would seem that Microsoft has forgotten it. That's quite the stale listing.
    A general search shows most articles from around 2006, the date of that
    link.

    A search of Microsoft Knowledge Base turns up nothing.

    It used to be a very obvious option in the maps.live.com site, but now it's
    gone. Virtual Earth doesn't offer it any more, and there are so many
    Microsoft mapping programs that I gave up looking for one that has it. It
    might still be part of MapPoint, but I always was confused whether that
    included Streets and Trips or not.

    I thought it was clever technology, and pinpointed my location a few times,
    but I don't think I ever saw a way to enter information into their
    database, or how their database was derived.

    I haven't installed it on my current laptop. Does it still work for you?
     
    dold, Jul 1, 2008
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  5. The name got changed to Microsoft Live Search Maps and is part of the
    MS Live Search collection:
    Yep. Seems to be gone.
    I don't have it installed on any of my machines. However, it was
    installed with MS Streets and Traps on a customers machine now in my
    office. The problem is that I can't uninstall it because it demands
    the CD, which has disappeared. I'll try it when I get to the office.

    Note that there are various web sites that will guess your city by IP
    address:
    <http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?Getlocation>
    <http://whatismyipaddress.com/staticpages/index.php/lookup-results>
    Not as nice as by hotspot, but useful.
     
    Jeff Liebermann, Jul 1, 2008
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  6. It doesn't work. I right click on the icon in the system tray, select
    "Locate Me" and it takes me to:
    <http://maps.live.com/?autolocate=true>
    However, no location marker appears in the map display.
    Oh well...
     
    Jeff Liebermann, Jul 2, 2008
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  7. danny burstein

    dold Guest

    For purposes of searching for a nearby business, or gaining routing
    knowledge to some other point, the IP address that you have is probably
    particularly unuseful. At best it will be the provider's local head end,
    not your connected WAP.

    If you have a cell phone that will run Google Maps with "My Location", that
    can do better job of location, although it either doesn't work on my
    phone, or won't bother because it can't get enough information in my remote
    locale. maps.google.com/gmm My phone help-about shows myl:N/A.
    That might be correct, that I am in North America, but it probably means
    something else. ;-)
     
    dold, Jul 2, 2008
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