When BT do FTTC ?

If and when BT put fibre cable in do we automatically get connected for some
of the way to the BT exchange?
Or do we stay on copper all the way?
As it happened to anyone?
I'm wanting to know if they will be after more line rental money and a
connection charge.
Regards
David

 

Maybe. Depending.

Maybe not, depending.

BT would be daft NOT to make use of installed fibre to replace trunk
copper from an exchange to a given location (e.g. street box). If they
run out of copper pairs on new installation why are likely to use that
fibre no matter what service the customer is on. If they still sell
lower speed ADSL, they would be fdact not to move that out to the
streetboxes as well.

How they pay fir it, will of course be in increased prices, but whether
they can charge these for EXISTING services when LLU customers may not
and thereby undercut them, is a moot point.

 

Will stick with copper to cabinet from my house and copper to Exchange then,
hope they will continue to maintain the copper network..
Regards
David

 

Is there any truth in the rumour that BT could replace all their copper with
fibre and make a net profit through the sale of the scrap copper?

 

As for the FTTC I rather doubt BT will

Would that be to BT customers only?
What about those of us with LLU opperators?
Regards
David

 

As for the FTTC I rather doubt BT will
The last slides I saw had the BT DSLAM/MSAN in their street cabinet,
with the ADSL sent down fibre, but the POTS still copper back to
the exchange.

LLU operators would be allowed to install a DSLAM/MSAN in a second
cabinet, adjacent to BT's cabinet (so there's a BT cabinet, and an
'other operators' shared cabinet). Clearly that's only going to
happen where their are enough customers of a particular LLU operator
cabled through that cabinet.

I know that Be Broadband are looking at using the BT Wholesale
product in order to have a FTTC offering.

 

No.

Last time I looked it was about 30,000 quid a kilometre to lay anything,
be it fiber or copper, unless the ducts already exist. Even then I am
not sure that a mile of 50 pair covers a couple of blokes for a couple
of days heaving fibre and repeaters down tubes..


never mind the termination kit that is now so much scrap and NOT worth
selling.

 

Hmm. I can see the rationale, but it increases complexity and total copper.

I suspect we will end up with VOIP phones in due course..maybe powered
from the exchange or street cabs. If they have a bit of battery, the
peak requirements of Making A Sound could be handled on a very low
average draw.

I cant see any reason for fibre to the premises at speeds that copper
can handle, really.

A coax cable must be capable of gigabit performance. Even a twisted
pair can do 100Mbps over a few hundred meters.

Unless fibre actually becomes cheaper than copper, of course.

 

There will of course be a benefit to BT of reduced maintenance costs.
Although over time hydrogen ingress MAY be a problem for fibre, it is
certainly not as susceptible to damage from water ingress. There will
also be less theft as the thieves discover that the scrap value of
processed sand is nil. BT will also receive a one off benefit as they
free up duct space by recovering the copper cables and selling them
for scrap

 

Of course the cost of the kit in the street furniture will have an
effect on BT's decision, but I find it hard to believe they will want
to maintain both copper and fibre networks. Surely there will be the
option of using the fibre to carry POTS?

 

I would imagine that new duct would only be needed in a minority of
cases. I suspect BT will install subduct and probably use blown fibre
(as they currently do)

 

cant carry phone power down a fibre alone.


Probably an act of parliament required to not provide phone power. Elfin
safety blah blah.

 

I cant see any reason not to..

BUT rawnd hier, in the styx, its largely but not all, overhead,and I
would imagine they would ruther it not be. Really not sure how reliable
fibres flapping in a duct flapping in the breeze, would be..

 

Meanwhile, at the uk.telecom.broadband Job Justification Hearings, Peter
chose the tried and tested strategy of:

Exactly. All BT would need to do is give unbundled customers a different
VLAN tag or MPLS label and hand the traffic over at the exchange to the
other operator [especially as LLU operators already have the infrastructure
in place to handle this]. However, call me cynical, but this would be far
too sensible and straightforward an approach for BT to take, so it isn't
going to happen. They would much rather other operators take a gamble on
sub-loop unbundling, installing a second cabinet, etc, basically putting
enough hurdles in place to ensure it doesn't happen, and making sure
everyone resells the hilariously-named "Infinity".

Exactly, and that's how BT wants it to stay.

 

Wasn't there a similar problem with VOIP phones?

 

BT have form in OH fibre - they installed some in west Wales about 25
yrs ago.

 

Just thought - this is about FTTC - copper to the home. The cabinet
will have power in it, easy to derive 50V - sorted!

 

strike me pink! far OUT, man ;-)

 

AFAIK there still is..

 

The question is, is it STILL THERE.;-)


I remember when I worked briefly subbing to a sub of STL, the major
damage to undersea optical cables was allegedly SHARKS LIKING THE TASTE!!!

You can imagine a raptor strike on a pigeon on an overhead line..ho hum.