When BT do FTTC ?

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by David, Jul 28, 2010.

  1. David

    David Guest

    If and when BT put fibre cable in do we automatically get connected for some
    of the way to the BT exchange?
    Or do we stay on copper all the way?
    As it happened to anyone?
    I'm wanting to know if they will be after more line rental money and a
    connection charge.
    David, Jul 28, 2010
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  2. Maybe. Depending.
    Maybe not, depending.

    BT would be daft NOT to make use of installed fibre to replace trunk
    copper from an exchange to a given location (e.g. street box). If they
    run out of copper pairs on new installation why are likely to use that
    fibre no matter what service the customer is on. If they still sell
    lower speed ADSL, they would be fdact not to move that out to the
    streetboxes as well.

    How they pay fir it, will of course be in increased prices, but whether
    they can charge these for EXISTING services when LLU customers may not
    and thereby undercut them, is a moot point.
    The Natural Philosopher, Jul 29, 2010
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  3. David

    David Guest

    Will stick with copper to cabinet from my house and copper to Exchange then,
    hope they will continue to maintain the copper network..
    David, Jul 29, 2010
  4. David

    Graham J Guest

    Is there any truth in the rumour that BT could replace all their copper with
    fibre and make a net profit through the sale of the scrap copper?
    Graham J, Jul 29, 2010
  5. David

    David Guest

    As for the FTTC I rather doubt BT will
    Would that be to BT customers only?
    What about those of us with LLU opperators?
    David, Jul 29, 2010
  6. As for the FTTC I rather doubt BT will
    The last slides I saw had the BT DSLAM/MSAN in their street cabinet,
    with the ADSL sent down fibre, but the POTS still copper back to
    the exchange.

    LLU operators would be allowed to install a DSLAM/MSAN in a second
    cabinet, adjacent to BT's cabinet (so there's a BT cabinet, and an
    'other operators' shared cabinet). Clearly that's only going to
    happen where their are enough customers of a particular LLU operator
    cabled through that cabinet.

    I know that Be Broadband are looking at using the BT Wholesale
    product in order to have a FTTC offering.
    Andrew Benham, Jul 29, 2010
  7. No.

    Last time I looked it was about 30,000 quid a kilometre to lay anything,
    be it fiber or copper, unless the ducts already exist. Even then I am
    not sure that a mile of 50 pair covers a couple of blokes for a couple
    of days heaving fibre and repeaters down tubes..

    never mind the termination kit that is now so much scrap and NOT worth
    The Natural Philosopher, Jul 29, 2010
  8. Hmm. I can see the rationale, but it increases complexity and total copper.

    I suspect we will end up with VOIP phones in due course..maybe powered
    from the exchange or street cabs. If they have a bit of battery, the
    peak requirements of Making A Sound could be handled on a very low
    average draw.

    I cant see any reason for fibre to the premises at speeds that copper
    can handle, really.

    A coax cable must be capable of gigabit performance. Even a twisted
    pair can do 100Mbps over a few hundred meters.

    Unless fibre actually becomes cheaper than copper, of course.
    The Natural Philosopher, Jul 29, 2010
  9. David

    Petert Guest

    There will of course be a benefit to BT of reduced maintenance costs.
    Although over time hydrogen ingress MAY be a problem for fibre, it is
    certainly not as susceptible to damage from water ingress. There will
    also be less theft as the thieves discover that the scrap value of
    processed sand is nil. BT will also receive a one off benefit as they
    free up duct space by recovering the copper cables and selling them
    for scrap
    Petert, Jul 29, 2010
  10. David

    Petert Guest

    Of course the cost of the kit in the street furniture will have an
    effect on BT's decision, but I find it hard to believe they will want
    to maintain both copper and fibre networks. Surely there will be the
    option of using the fibre to carry POTS?
    Petert, Jul 29, 2010
  11. David

    Petert Guest

    I would imagine that new duct would only be needed in a minority of
    cases. I suspect BT will install subduct and probably use blown fibre
    (as they currently do)
    Petert, Jul 29, 2010
  12. cant carry phone power down a fibre alone.

    Probably an act of parliament required to not provide phone power. Elfin
    safety blah blah.
    The Natural Philosopher, Jul 29, 2010
  13. I cant see any reason not to..

    BUT rawnd hier, in the styx, its largely but not all, overhead,and I
    would imagine they would ruther it not be. Really not sure how reliable
    fibres flapping in a duct flapping in the breeze, would be..
    The Natural Philosopher, Jul 29, 2010
  14. David

    alexd Guest

    Meanwhile, at the uk.telecom.broadband Job Justification Hearings, Peter
    chose the tried and tested strategy of:
    Exactly. All BT would need to do is give unbundled customers a different
    VLAN tag or MPLS label and hand the traffic over at the exchange to the
    other operator [especially as LLU operators already have the infrastructure
    in place to handle this]. However, call me cynical, but this would be far
    too sensible and straightforward an approach for BT to take, so it isn't
    going to happen. They would much rather other operators take a gamble on
    sub-loop unbundling, installing a second cabinet, etc, basically putting
    enough hurdles in place to ensure it doesn't happen, and making sure
    everyone resells the hilariously-named "Infinity".
    Exactly, and that's how BT wants it to stay.
    alexd, Jul 29, 2010
  15. David

    Petert Guest

    Wasn't there a similar problem with VOIP phones?
    Petert, Jul 29, 2010
  16. David

    Petert Guest

    BT have form in OH fibre - they installed some in west Wales about 25
    yrs ago.
    Petert, Jul 29, 2010
  17. David

    Petert Guest

    Just thought - this is about FTTC - copper to the home. The cabinet
    will have power in it, easy to derive 50V - sorted!
    Petert, Jul 29, 2010
  18. The Natural Philosopher, Jul 29, 2010
  19. AFAIK there still is..
    The Natural Philosopher, Jul 29, 2010
  20. The question is, is it STILL THERE.;-)

    I remember when I worked briefly subbing to a sub of STL, the major
    damage to undersea optical cables was allegedly SHARKS LIKING THE TASTE!!!

    You can imagine a raptor strike on a pigeon on an overhead line..ho hum.
    The Natural Philosopher, Jul 29, 2010
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