What use is WiFi on a Costco Viso TV?

Discussion in 'Wireless Internet' started by Ewald Böhm, Sep 3, 2015.

  1. Ewald Böhm

    Ewald Böhm Guest

    What use is WiFi on a TV screen?

    A relative of mine called, who was told "something" by Costco, that their
    Visio TVs have WiFi and therefore she wouldn't need the "box" whatever
    that is.

    I don't have cable, nor even a TV, but I suspect that "box" is something
    that was added when they switched from Analog to Digital (or maybe it's a
    descrambler).

    They said they have to pay the cable company for a second box (the first
    one is free), so, it's not a modem (because you'd only need one modem).

    Anyway, my basic question, for you, is "what use is WiFi in a TV"?

    Note that I can easily see that bluetooth is useful, since you can then
    use that TV with a keyboard; but what good is WiFi in a TV screen at home?
     
    Ewald Böhm, Sep 3, 2015
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  2. so you can connect to the internet and watch Youtube, netflix, etc.
     
    taxed and spent, Sep 3, 2015
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  3. Ewald Böhm

    Ewald Böhm Guest

    Maybe I don't understand. Actually, I don't understand.

    To watch youtube, you need a browser, which is usually a program compiled
    for a certain computer, which runs a certain operating system, and which
    has a certain byte order and memory structure and a whole bunch of other
    things associated with a "computer".

    Is the TV acting as a "computer"?
    If so, what operating system is the TV?

    What browser does it use?
    What architecture is that TV browser compiled for?
     
    Ewald Böhm, Sep 3, 2015
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    Ralph Mowery Guest

    The newer smart TVs have their own built in inerface . Maybe you have heard
    of the devices like ROKU or the one from Amazon. Anyway it lets the TV
    connect to the internet so if you have say Direct TV you can get movies and
    other shows on demand bystreaming off the internet. I don't know what
    system they use,but my TV lets me surf the web. It is awful slow to do with
    the remote,but I think I could hook up a mouse and keyboard to it if I
    wanted to.
     
    Ralph Mowery, Sep 3, 2015
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  5. And a tv set has become a computer. They needed a CPU to handle the data
    conversion, so they might as well allow it to be used as a more general
    purpose computer.

    Both my DTV sets run Linux. A subset, but it's there.

    My blu-ray player runs Linux too, as does my TomTom One GPS. It's free,
    and yet provides a full OS for building on top of.

    Michael
     
    Michael Black, Sep 3, 2015
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    Nil Guest

    No, you don't. You just need an interface that will display Youtube
    content. It's included with a smart TV.
    That's all included in your smart TV.
    I assume it's some customized version of Linux, but it doesn't matter
    unless you're planning to hack it. Normally you're given a user
    interface that will allow you access to the features built into the
    smart TV, which will include apps to access Internet content providers
    like Youtube, Hulu, Amazon, Netflix, and others. It may also include
    some games and other miscellaneous stuff. It may even include a web
    browser (mine does, but it works poorly.)
     
    Nil, Sep 3, 2015
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    micky Guest

    In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 03 Sep 2015 17:33:08 -0400, Nil
    So what do you have that works poorl?. I was particularly interested in
    having a browser (more than having Netflix.) so I want to avoid what
    you have, if any other browser works better, that is.
     
    micky, Sep 3, 2015
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    Nil Guest

    I don't know what it's called, it's just whatever was included with my
    Samsung TV. It's deadly slow slow slow, and navigation with the TV
    remote is painful. I tried hooking up a USB keyboard, but it didn't
    work and I haven't bothered to try to troubleshoot it, since it's
    nothing I'm interested in using. If I want to browse the web I'll just
    use one of the several other computer devices in the house.
     
    Nil, Sep 3, 2015
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    micky Guest

    In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 03 Sep 2015 18:36:31 -0400, Nil
    Okay, I can remember Samsung. Thanks.
     
    micky, Sep 4, 2015
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    Ewald Böhm Guest

    Is this correct yet?

    1. You hook up this "smart TV" to the power but to no other wires.
    2. The WiFi connects to your router, so the TV is "on the net".
    3. The TV has built-in apps to get movies on Youtube, Hulu, Netflix.
    4. Some TVs have a web browser - but they're so slow as to be useless.
    5. Some have a DirectTV (coax wired?) input in the back of the TV?
    6. Some TVs have built-in games.
    7. You can't *add* anything; it's all built in to the TV OS.

    Is that the sum total of the advantages of WiFi on a TV?
     
    Ewald Böhm, Sep 4, 2015
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    amdx Guest

    Ya, so now you get to wait for it to boot up every time you turn it on.



    Mikek
     
    amdx, Sep 4, 2015
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  12. Ewald Böhm

    amdx Guest

    I have a Sony, and it's slow too!
     
    amdx, Sep 4, 2015
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    Roger Blake Guest

    A disadvantage to Smart TVs is that they quite literally spy on you. At
    least one manufacturer has issued a warning about it:

    https://www.thestar.com/business/te...g-about-talking-in-front-of-the-smart-tv.html

    I really don't understand why anyone would even consider the purchase
    of such a device. I suppose for many that convenience and entertainment
    trump all other considerations these days.

    --
     
    Roger Blake, Sep 4, 2015
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    Vic Smith Guest

    If I turn on my TV and computer at the same time, the TV barely beats
    the computer at booting.
    It takes 17.86 seconds for the picture/sound to show up for the TV.
     
    Vic Smith, Sep 4, 2015
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    Vic Smith Guest

    BTW, that's a hard-wired HD TV attached to a basic cable box not
    providing HD.
     
    Vic Smith, Sep 4, 2015
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    Nil Guest

    Not necessarily. If you have a TV feed from an antenna or cable
    service, you hook that up, too. The "Smart" features are internet only,
    so you need an internet connection to use them. You could hook that
    part of the TV to your home router with a cable or wirelessly.
    Well, mine is. It displays content slowly (I think that there isn't
    much memory or storage in the TV for buffering, plus the browser itself
    may be a Java app, which is inherently slow to start up) but the worst
    thing about it is that you have to navigate using your TV remote. You
    may be able to hook up a computer keyboard, which would help.
    There's a coax input on mine, but I don't know anything about DirectTV.
    Yes. There are "apps" included with the Smart TV software, analogous to
    the apps on your smart phone. The apps on my Samsung TV can be updated
    from them. You can purchase others, I think.
    The OS and apps may be updateable from the manufacturer.
    There may be others. Actually, if I knew then what I know now, I'd get
    a dumb TV and add one of those add-on boxes like Chromecast or whatever
    to get the content I use. Most of the apps on my Samsung suck royally.
    I only use a couple of them.
     
    Nil, Sep 4, 2015
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    dold Guest

    That's about it. I think my Sharp TV is Android.
    Slow, clunky. Even the apps that work are inferior to what you would have
    on a phone/tablet/PC.

    I use the "MiraCast" option to cast my Android tablet to the scrren quite
    often, so I can see my cat videos from YouTube in better quality.
     
    dold, Sep 4, 2015
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    micky Guest

    In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 4 Sep 2015 07:47:23 -0500, amdx
    Okay. I can remember that too. But I'm getting discouraged.

    I think I should follow Mark Lloyd's advice in next thread about using
    wires when one can.

    So I think I'll just get a USB active extension cord and a
    keyboard/mouse to plug into it;, and an AV balun with cat6 to connect
    the computer to the DVDR
     
    micky, Sep 4, 2015
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    Ewald Böhm Guest

    Do I understand the situation correctly that the WiFi enabled TVs are dog
    slow, for example, at browsing, because of two fundamental flaws?

    1. The CPUs are slow, and,
    2. Using a remote to type URLs is slow.

    You can't fix the CPU processing power.
    But, can you simply add a standard bluetooth keyboard?
     
    Ewald Böhm, Sep 5, 2015
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    Ewald Böhm Guest

    Can't you just connect any old bluetooth keyboard to solve that problem?
     
    Ewald Böhm, Sep 5, 2015
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