UK broadband is slow and costly: slowest and most expensive broadband connections in the world.

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Billy, Jul 17, 2007.

  1. Billy

    Billy Guest

    Billy, Jul 17, 2007
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  2. George Weston, Jul 17, 2007
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  3. Billy

    It's Me Guest

    Did we need a report?

    You did not know this is rip off Britain.
     
    It's Me, Jul 17, 2007
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    Eeyore Guest

    Eeyore, Jul 17, 2007
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    Gizmo. Guest

    Gizmo., Jul 17, 2007
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  6. Billy

    Eeyore Guest

    According to that report an 'entry level' broadband connection costs £14.50 pcm. That's clearly not so.

    Ignoring the so-called 'free' ones, you can still get broadband for ~ £10.

    And 'low cost' US broadband may only be 768kbps....
    http://www.verizon.net/

    3Mbps costs rougly the equivalent of £12.50
    http://www22.verizon.com/content/consumerdsl/plans/all+plans/all+plans.htm


    And don't expect to be able to download GBs every day either !

    " Verizon Wireless proudly boasts that its wireless "BroadbandAccess" service is "unlimited." But Verizon's definition of
    unlimited may not match consumers' expectations, as those who use the service extensively quickly learn.

    ..... when consumers use this service like they would any other broadband connection, Verizon cancels the account.
    ConsumerAffairs.Com discovered this when Verizon, with very little warning, cancelled our account.

    "We found that your usage over the past 30 days exceeded 10 Gigabytes. This level of usage is so extraordinarily high that it
    could only have been attained by activities, such as streaming and/or downloading movies and video, prohibited by the terms and
    conditions," Verizon said in a terse letter. "

    http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/07/verizon_unlimited.html

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Jul 17, 2007
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    Brian Guest

    It's not just about cost, it's about service as well. You try telling
    a yank he needs to use an 0870/09 number to get support and he'll take
    you out!
     
    Brian, Jul 17, 2007
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  8. Billy

    Eeyore Guest

    My ISP's support (Idnet) is available on a freephone number. :~)

    Idnet's average score for last month at thinkbroadband.com was 87%. I don't recall having seen such a high rating before.

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Jul 17, 2007
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    jim Guest


    We also have the most expensive transport systems, alcohol and tobacco
    taxes and everything else - why should broadband be any different ?

    jim
     
    jim, Jul 17, 2007
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  10. Billy

    John Geddes Guest

    The most notable comment in the report is that the UK has a much higher
    minimum-cost for Broadband than many other OECD countries.

    That is constraining the uptake of broadband among considerable numbers
    of users. I have three near neighbours still on dialup because they
    consider the £170+ first-year cost of Broadband just too much given
    their modest (current) internet usage.

    And that is a loss not only to them, but to society and to our supposed
    "knowledge" economy, which is constrained by the "missing" users -
    people who might use online services if they could enjoy the
    responsiveness of Broadband speeds, but who find it too painful (or
    completely unusable) at dialup speeds.

    Other countries are managing to provide moderate-rate low-cost always-on
    services - what a tragedy that Oftel/Ofcom were not given the powers (or
    did not have the wit) to deliver the same.

    John Geddes
    Derbyshire
     
    John Geddes, Jul 17, 2007
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  11. This isn't what the report actually said. 19th out of 30 puts us round
    about the middle, surely?

    But still, when did the newspapers let truth get in the way of good
    headlines...
     
    Mark McIntyre, Jul 18, 2007
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  12. Don't forget to mention one of the highest standards of living and
    wage levels, while you're about it. Naturally, if everyone would take
    a 75% pay cut.....

    Bozos. If you think Britain is a rip-off, feel free to emigrate to
    Korea or Japan or Sweden, and see how much better life is there.
     
    Mark McIntyre, Jul 18, 2007
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  13. Er, I've just ordered it for my Dad for £120, Thats only £48 pa more
    than dialup.
    By levying hefty taxes to install subsidised fibre to all metro
    areas....
    Whats Ofcom got to do with it?
     
    Mark McIntyre, Jul 18, 2007
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  14. Billy

    PhilT Guest

    there are some flaws in the report, not least that the reported US
    price is very low - your local cable monopoly would want $29.95 for
    RoadRunner high speed internet, on top of the cable TV charge, and
    that's just the introductory price for the first few months after
    which is would be $39.95. So many consumers would not recognise the
    $15.93 quoted for the USA.

    The OECD prices are not the average as the Telegraph says but are
    "entry level products" for example the Swedish one is 256k.

    In the UK our DSL services are without doubt faster than those in the
    USA, more widely available and with more choice (some choice !) of
    service provider.

    Sure, we don't have the fibre services available in parts of the US
    and parts of Japan, so we can't claim any 100M services, but 10M cable
    is available to 45% of the population and a similar proportion if not
    more have ADSL2+ services available at over 8M.

    Depends how you want to spin it really. Wallowing in self pity seems
    to be a national trait. Doing something about it doesn't.

    Phil
     
    PhilT, Jul 18, 2007
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    Bob Eager Guest

    Indeed. I have a friend in Los Angeles who has had dreadful trouble
    getting DSL up and running. He had little choice of supplier (one
    alternative that wasn't really viable). The 'phone company' was the only
    real choice.

    He's had problems getting it set up, then further problems with the
    service. It is quite clear that tech support is lacking (he is a tech
    person himself, having been involved in quite a few Internet RFCs, etc.
    including the 'real' RFC666!). The problems are the usual ones of trying
    to brush the customer off with gobbledegook (didn't work!) and a just
    plain unreliable service.
     
    Bob Eager, Jul 18, 2007
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    Mr Adams Guest

    Ahahahahaha there speaks someone who has never been to a Scandinavian
    country :-D
     
    Mr Adams, Jul 18, 2007
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    Peter Lynch Guest

    This report is rubbish. They been _very_ selective about the countries they
    compare the UK with. Calling the UK costly, when (per megabit) they can only
    cite 2 countries that are cheaper is disingenuous.
    They have also completely failed to take into account the average wages
    in different countries: of course services in the UK cost more than in most
    countries, we earn more than most other countries.

    If you want really bad (expensive, slow, unreliable, low-coverage) broadband
    go to most other countries in europe: greece, spain, portugal, italy ......

    This is a classic case of writing a headline that panders to the disgruntled
    segment of the population that reads the telegraph, then cherry-picking
    a bunch of unrepresentative and misleading data to try to prop it up.

    Ignore them, they don't know what they're talking about

    Pete
     
    Peter Lynch, Jul 18, 2007
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  18. Billy

    John Geddes Guest

    Sorry - don't understand your figures. For someone who already has a
    fixed-line phone, the marginal cost of dialup internet use is simply the
    cost of calls - light users might only be spending a couple of pounds a
    month for checking emails and the odd few minutes of web browsing.
    Ofcom, and Oftel before it, were set up to try and "square the circle" -
    to constrain the monopoly handed to BT, with the aim of delivering a
    dynamic and highly-efficient telecoms industry.

    The focus from the outset was on pricing baskets (perhaps because they
    hired an accountancy professor as the first Oftel DG) - had they worried
    more about specific market distortions, they would surely have had the
    powers to address them.

    John Geddes
     
    John Geddes, Jul 18, 2007
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  19. Billy

    Eeyore Guest

    You hit the nail on the head.

    I sync @ 8128 kbps on a BT line and last night's speed test at
    thinkbroadband.com gave a result of 6800kbps ( 95% of the maximum theoretically
    possible ).

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Jul 18, 2007
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  20. Billy

    Eeyore Guest

    Yes, beer there must be about 15 Euros a half litre now I expect.

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Jul 18, 2007
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