TOT: Snooper's Charter

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Java Jive, Oct 9, 2015.

  1. Java Jive

    Rod Speed Guest

    They won't be.
    They still have to prove beyond reasonable doubt.
     
    Rod Speed, Oct 10, 2015
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  2. Java Jive

    Rod Speed Guest

    Legally they don't have a leg to stand on with that silly claim.

    Its completely silly to claim that the local library,
    which allows free wifi access, is legally responsible
    for whatever anyone does using that free wifi.

    It's just another flagrantly dishonest legal kite flying exercise.
    Not really. They don't have a legal leg to stand on and
    Win10 isn't the first common example of that situation.
    That isn't the case with the data that is already available to govt,
    who you have called using the phone system, what the govt has
    seen with their number plate recognition systems, etc etc etc.
    This isn't what is being covered by this legislation. The european
    data privacy laws that have been in place for a long time now are.
    No it does not. You don't even have that
    yourself with what happens over your wifi.
    There is no way to work out whether
    you explicitly allowed that or not.

    Even if you did, that doesn't make you legally liable
    for what the other individual did using your wifi any
    more than you are legally liable for what they did
    using your phone service if you let them use your
    phone when they are visitors etc.

    Its up to anyone who attempts to take some legal
    action to prove actually did what they are objecting
    to and to prove who that actually was, not just what
    equipment was used to do that.
    It is actually legally.
     
    Rod Speed, Oct 10, 2015
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    Hanny Z Guest

    Wont ever happen. The most I ever get is after I chase up
    the fine detail of some bit of hardware, often when it gets
    a mention on here like with plumbing fittings, I often do
    get an ad showing up for something like that on facebook
    and an email from ebay or amazon suggesting something
    I have looked at that I might be interested in.
     
    Hanny Z, Oct 10, 2015
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  4. Lucky you. Perhaps you've never had your card hacked and used for
    purchases by persons unknown in a town you've never been to, while the
    card itself remains in your wallet the whole time? I promise once
    you've had that experience you'll view the whole business of data
    security in a completely different light.

    Rod.
     
    Roderick Stewart, Oct 10, 2015
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  5. Java Jive

    Roland Perry Guest

    Assuming you don't simply mean Win8 phones, what other little understood
    wifi password sharing schemes have existed (genuine question).
     
    Roland Perry, Oct 10, 2015
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  6. Not even a credit card PIN code or an online banking password?

    Rod.
     
    Roderick Stewart, Oct 10, 2015
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  7. Java Jive

    Tim Watts Guest

    And when the company loses your personal data, including credit card
    details etc?

    You really do place an awful lot of blind trust in both companies and
    the government.

    I've caught nearly half a dozen companies who've lost my email address
    (I use a unique "plussed" address for everyone). So who knows how much
    other data they've also lost.
     
    Tim Watts, Oct 10, 2015
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  8. Java Jive

    Rod Speed Guest

    The vast raft of public access wifi systems.
     
    Rod Speed, Oct 10, 2015
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  9. Java Jive

    Hanny Z Guest

    I just yawn, know that the bank will cover any use of the
    credit card details and at most will send me a new card.
    I know that whatever happens will be no more than a minor nuisance.

    I'm not stupid enough to have just one card
    and will just use one of the other cards if one
    isn't usable for a while for whatever reason.

    Even if some total arsehole stuck a gun in my ribs,
    forced me to use the cards that were in my wallet
    at gunpoint and didn’t get noticed by anyone
    doing that, I would just use the cards that are
    never in my wallet while the other ones get
    replaced and the illegal transactions reversed.
    I don’t care, I never give anyone
    any data that matters if they lose it.
     
    Hanny Z, Oct 10, 2015
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  10. Java Jive

    Roland Perry Guest

    Those aren't private password protected wifi systems where the users'
    operating system is facilitating the swapping of passwords with each
    other behind the wifi-operator's back.

    That's the process which is worrying (fore some people), regarding
    Win10/Windows phone.
     
    Roland Perry, Oct 10, 2015
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    Rod Speed Guest

    Irrelevant legally.
    Only those who don't have a clue about the most basic law.
     
    Rod Speed, Oct 10, 2015
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  12. Java Jive

    Roland Perry Guest

    It may be, or may not be, but it's what started this subthread (see top
    line quoted above).
    Why does the "most basic law" remove the worrying? Knowing that people
    they have never met, have the password to their home wifi, *does* worry
    a lot of people.
     
    Roland Perry, Oct 10, 2015
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    Tim Watts Guest

    Glad you feel happy.

    I on the other hand do not want my private data going to the wrong place.
     
    Tim Watts, Oct 10, 2015
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    Graeme Wall Guest

    Based on what evidence?
    Are you an expert on this?
     
    Graeme Wall, Oct 10, 2015
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    Rod Speed Guest

    It is, completely.
    Doesn't change the fact that its legally completely irrelevant.
    Because if you understand even the most basic
    law, you don't worry about what Win10 does.
    Only worrys a microscopic minority who don't have a clue.
     
    Rod Speed, Oct 10, 2015
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  16. Java Jive

    Rod Speed Guest

    Most of it, because they don't get that many tipoffs.
    I know that it isn't.
    That is just your opinion.
    Number plate recognition has been around
    for a hell of a long time now and hasn't been.

    Sure, plenty of places do have that in cop cars etc
    which just drive around the streets and have the
    cops notified about cars that have a legal problem
    and that does see them tow the car and have the
    owner of the car have to pay a substantial penalty
    to get the car back, but that has nothing to do what
    is proposed to become legal surveillance wise now.
    Have fun listing any examples of anyone
    actually jailed or even arrested that way.
    Easy to claim.
    Irrelevant. It would have been even better if that crime
    had been prevented when it was possible to work out
    what they were planning and to organise things so that
    when they showed up with that equipment, they were
    just arrested and frog marched off to the cop shop.
    And it would be better if they did have
    a clue before the crime was committed.
    Like hell it was with working out who did it.
    That is what has happened.
    Sure, no system will ever be perfect.
    That last is a lie.
    There is always some of that, most obviously with
    random breath test and random drug tests of drivers.
    Nope, no more than checking the bags of those who come
    in thru customs for drugs and other illegal stuff does.
    Hardly the end of civilisation as we know it.

    Yes, it would be better if there were no criminals,
    no terrorists, and everyone was always polite to
    each other and never assaulted each other.

    That is not the real world.
     
    Rod Speed, Oct 10, 2015
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    Rod Speed Guest

    Corse they do.
    Have fun listing any examples of that.
    I couldn't care less.
     
    Rod Speed, Oct 10, 2015
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    Hanny Z Guest

    I always have. I have never cared about the
    fact that someone knows who I have ever
    called and who has ever called me.
    You're free to never give anyone any of your private data
    and to give them false data instead with all but the govt.
     
    Hanny Z, Oct 10, 2015
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  19. Java Jive

    Rod Speed Guest

    I don't give a damn who knows any of that.
    I never started and I don't give a damn who knows that either.
    I have refused nothing.
    Just how many of you are there between those ears ?
    You won't find a damned thing.
     
    Rod Speed, Oct 10, 2015
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  20. Java Jive

    Rod Speed Guest

    No, I am saying that they were stupid enough to get bluffed
    by some legal arsehole, just like that who are actually stupid
    enough to pay some alleged fine from some private carpark
    or those stupid enough to be bluffed by some sign that
    claims that some commercial operation has no legal liability
    what so ever for any work they **** up completely etc.
    Like hell you do.
    Another bare face pig ignorant lie.
    It's the law.
    Pigs arse it is on that.
     
    Rod Speed, Oct 10, 2015
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