The cost of transmitting Information and World Government.

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Reg Edwards, Feb 8, 2005.

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    Reg Edwards Guest

    I have been using the Internet for 5 or 6 years.
    I know extremely little about how it is supposed to work.
    I don't want to know. I don't need to know.
    All I know is that it is in a state of chaos.
    Extreme UNRELIABILITY is the general description.
    In the medium term all service providers are in the same hopeless sort of
    And I get bills which I make no attempt to understand.

    What is the commodity we are dealing with?

    It is merely INFORMATION with a capital I, which is quantifiable as Bits of
    Information. (Binary digits if you like.) (Any sort of information, speech,
    music, numerical data, TV signals, noise, etc., can be coded electronically
    into bits.)

    According to Shannon, the capacity of an information channel, its ability to
    transmit information, is proportional to its Bandwidth in Hertz. (Or cycles
    per second.)

    The maximum possible amount of information transmitted is proportional to
    the Time T, in seconds, for which the channel is available or used.

    Therefore, I = B*T bits.

    The cost of installing the channel is proportional to the amount of
    equipment and transmission lines (optical fibres) involved which is again
    proportional to the distance D in kilometres between the ends of a circuit A
    and B.

    And therefore the cost in P Pence to a subscriber of hiring a circuit
    between A and B is logically proportional to -

    P = B*T*D pence.

    Or Cost = Bandwidth * Time hired * Distance, in pence.

    It will be up to subscibers to do the best they can with the time hired and
    the method of coding.

    And the sooner there is only ONE reliable international service provider the
    better. Then everybody will be able to understand the phone bill.

    The ultimate solution is political and lies in World Government.

    Mathematicians and others wishing to investigate further can do a Google on
    the classical paper by Claude E.Shannon, "Communication in the Presence of
    Noise", Proceedings of the IEEE, Vol.86, No 2, February 1998. Which is a
    reprint from Proceedings of the IRE, Vol.37, No 1, pp. 10-21, Jan. 1949.

    This paper is distinguished by Shannon's method of solving the long
    outstanding problem of signal-to-noise ratios geometrically, by calculating
    the number of spheres which can be contained in a much larger
    multi-dimensional sphere.

    Is it not curious that Shannon solved the problem about the same time that
    the means came about of putting his communications theories into full use -
    the transistor had recently been invented?

    It is known as The Ball-packing Problem, which I have tenuously linked to
    the antics of George, Tony and now Ms Rice.
    Reg Edwards, Feb 8, 2005
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    B Gruff Guest

    Perhaps - or perhaps not - but few will be able to pay it!

    We used to have (in the UK) pretty much the situation that you
    propose. In those Good Old Days, calls to the U.S. were about £1 per
    minute (say £3 per minute at todays prices), you could have any
    colour of telephone you wanted, provided that it was black and rented
    from the single provider, and you could connect any modem you liked
    to their network (telephone line) PROVIDED that it had passed their
    approval test. The only problem was, they hadn't written the test!

    Later (or more recently, if you like) the cost of a dial-up Internet
    account was between £11.75 and £15 per month, PLUS the cost of calls,
    which ran to almost £1 per hour in the evenings and at weekends, and
    about £3 per hour in office hours.
    ISDN installation (renting two lines, at rather more per line than
    analogue) could be had at £400.

    Hmm... monopolies are all very nice - for the guy who has the
    monopoly. Does your theory extend to car manufacturers, btw?

    You seem to use a Microsoft OS and BT as your ISP..........

    B Gruff, Feb 9, 2005
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    Ian Stirling Guest

    Shannon is irrelevant.
    The cost of transmitting information is what BT/... say it is.
    Ian Stirling, Feb 10, 2005
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