Simple name windows linux question

Discussion in 'Linux Networking' started by Vitamx, Nov 9, 2003.

  1. Vitamx

    Bit Twister Guest

    That is
    a
    windoze
    question.
    This
    is
    another
    junk
    question.

    The linux
    box cannot
    give it's ip
    address
    to windows
    unless
    linux has
    been setup
    to be
    the
    dhcp
    server
    for the
    lan.

    Here again
    you will
    have
    to
    read
    http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
    because we
    have
    no
    idea how
    you have
    hooked what
    where.
     
    Bit Twister, Nov 10, 2003
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  2. Vitamx

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    There is nothing you can do that will make this on topic in a Linux
    news group. However, since you seem to be unable to navigate the
    Windows menus without someone holding your hand and seem intent on
    being here until somebody takes you through it, I'll go through the
    process on my laptop and take notes (the following is for Windows 2000) :

    Double click the "My Computer" icon on the desktop
    Double click on "Control Panel"
    Double click on "Network and Dial-up Connections"
    Double clock on "Make new Connection"
    Click on "Next"
    Click on "Dial-up to the Internet" and click on "Next"
    Click on whichever of the options is appropriate and click "Next".
    I'm going to use the last option (set up manually) in spite of your
    statement that you're having all this trouble with a standalone
    Windows box that is connected to a Linux-based ISP which doesn't
    provide any customer support whatever (or else you wouldn't be here),
    because my real computer is using my connection at the moment.
    Click on "I connect through a phone line and a modem" and click
    "Next."
    Enter yoyour ISPs Area code, Telephone number, and other information.
    Click on "Advanced"
    Clock on the "Address" tab.

    You'll find to options
    Windows menus without someone holding your hand and seem intent on
    being here until somebody takes you through it (the following is for
    Windows 2000) :

    Double click the "My Computer" icon on the desktop
    Double click on "Control Panel"
    Double click on "Network and Dial-up Connections"
    Double clock on "Make new Connection"
    Click on "Next"
    Click on "Dial-up to the Internet" and click on "Next"
    Click on whichever of the options is appropriate and click "Next".
    I'm going to use the last option (set up manually) in spite of your
    statement that you're having all this trouble with a standalone
    Windows box that is connected to a Linux-based ISP which doesn't
    provide any customer support whatever (or else you wouldn't be here),
    because my real computer is using my connection at the moment.
    Click on "I connect through a phone line and a modem" and click
    "Next."
    Enter yoyour ISPs Area code, Telephone number, and other information.
    Click on "Advanced"
    Clock on the "Address" tab.

    You'll find two DNS options here: either your ISP tells you the
    address of the DNS server when you log in, or you have a DNS server
    address to enter. Enter the right thing. Wunnerful, wunnerful.

    Note that absolutley nothing in this response had anything to do with
    Linux in any way, shape, or form.
     
    Joe Pfeiffer, Nov 10, 2003
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  3. Vitamx

    Vitamx Guest

    Let me try to make my question more
    concrete.

    Let us say we have a network with
    several windows machine and then I want
    to add a linux machine. The linux machine
    has an apache web server.

    I want to open up internet explorer and
    type in www.linuxmachine.com and
    see the linux machines web page on the windows machine.
     
    Vitamx, Nov 10, 2003
    #23
  4. Vitamx

    Bit Twister Guest

    What is so damn hard about putting the
    ip_address linuxmachine.com web
    in the windows hosts file.

    JUST DO IT.
     
    Bit Twister, Nov 10, 2003
    #24
  5. Vitamx

    noone Guest

    He probably does not understand that DNS is just one of many ways that
    that a host obtains / translates a hostname to an IP address, and he
    probably does not want to modify the hosts file in multiple windows
    machine to achieve what he wants.

    To the OP:

    1) Do you have DNS within your LAN? If you do, add a DNS record for
    linux machine into your DNS server.

    2) If you do not have DNS within your LAN, then maybe running a SAMBA
    client on the linux machine will add your linux's IP address to your
    Windows' network WINS ( ugh! ).

    3) Otherwise, you have to modify \WINNT\system32\drivers\etc\hosts and
    add an IP address and hostname pair in that file for the linux machine.
     
    noone, Nov 10, 2003
    #25
  6. Vitamx

    Bit Twister Guest

    On 09 Nov 2003 22:33:59 -0700, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:

    <snipped win 2k info>

    The op did not supply the os name and version.
    With our luck it will be win 3.1

    The down side of answering microsoft questions here is like feeding
    bears on the back porch. Pretty soon their in the kitchen and you
    cannot get rid of them and it is against the law to shoot them. :(
     
    Bit Twister, Nov 10, 2003
    #26
  7. Vitamx

    ynotssor Guest

    I gave you the answer as the second post in this thread.

    If you won't listen, then why bother even asking?
     
    ynotssor, Nov 10, 2003
    #27
  8. Vitamx

    Bit Twister Guest

    He was given that answer. Now do you want to walk him through adding
    the linux ip the to the windows dns server........ :(
     
    Bit Twister, Nov 10, 2003
    #28
  9. Vitamx

    Vitamx Guest

    To the OP:
    Thank you, thank you, thank you and
    thanks again. But what is this WINS
    thingy.
     
    Vitamx, Nov 11, 2003
    #29
  10. Vitamx

    noone Guest

    Well, if you do not know what WINS is, you have a lot more to learn
    before using linux in a network with mostly Windows hosts.

    WINS = Windows Internet Naming Resolution
    You better ask more details about it in the windows newsgroup
     
    noone, Nov 11, 2003
    #30
  11. Vitamx

    Vitamx Guest

    To the OP:

    I have been a subscriber to Linux Magazine for the last three years. This
    question belongs right there.

    What does WINS have to do with SAMBA?
     
    Vitamx, Nov 11, 2003
    #31
  12. Vitamx

    Lew Pitcher Guest

    From later posts, it appears that you /don't/ understand how Unix matches
    names with IP addresses, because MSWindows does exactly the same matching in
    exactly the same manner. It's all either PPP, DHCP, local DNS settings, or
    the hosts file, no matter whether it's Linux or MSWindows.
    One of two ways:

    a) Through DNS resolution, where the assigned DNS servers are queried for a
    name-to-ip map. On MSWindows, DNS servers are assigned in one of three ways:
    1) by the PPP parameters from your ISP, as interpreted by Windows DUN, or
    2) by the DHCP parameters from your ISP, as interpreted by Windows DHCP, or
    3) by the explicit DNS server IP addresses you assign to the adaptor
    through the Network / Protocol settings,

    b) Through the "hosts" file (IIRC, in %WINDOWS%\system32\drivers\etc)


    --
    Lew Pitcher

    Master Codewright and JOAT-in-training
    Registered Linux User #112576 (http://counter.li.org/)
    Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing.
     
    Lew Pitcher, Nov 11, 2003
    #32
  13. Vitamx

    Vitamx Guest

    I found the following passage in Running Linux:

    The WINS support parameter tells Samba
    to function as a wins server, for resolving computer names into IP addresses,
    this is
    optional, but it helps to keep your network
    running efficiently

    Now what does that mean?
     
    Vitamx, Nov 11, 2003
    #33
  14. Vitamx

    Baho Utot Guest

    Windows DNS, done wrong
     
    Baho Utot, Nov 12, 2003
    #34
  15. Vitamx

    noone Guest

    Baho Utot wrote:

    ^^^^^^^^^

    pssst. bawal iyan. Nangangamoy ka hanggang dito sa oz.
     
    noone, Nov 12, 2003
    #35
  16. Vitamx

    noone Guest

    Is that supposed to make you an expert? No, only experience counts.

    This
    No, because you do not know what WINS is.
    WINS is, like I mentioned, "___Windows__ Internet Naming Service /
    Resolution".
    SAMBA --- Go to www.samba.org
     
    noone, Nov 12, 2003
    #36
  17. Vitamx

    noone Guest

    If you do not do __any__ of the things we have been telling you to do,
    there is no point asking for help. Do not ask to be spoon-fed.
     
    noone, Nov 12, 2003
    #37
  18. Vitamx

    Vitamx Guest

    Being a subscriber to Linux Magazine
    has taught me that Linux-Windows
    integration is perhaps the most important
    topic in linux networking.

    I have been researching this topic
    outside of this newsgroup. I have to
    because so little good information is
    coming from this newsgroup.

    Mostly just a bunch of pissiness about
    posting windows questions.

    But my research has proved to me beyond
    any shadow of doubt that WINS questions
    do belong in this newsgroup.

    Just as the issue is discussed in Linux
    Magazine, Running Linux and www.samba.org, which is really a linux
    networking website. Samba is GNU
    software aint it?
     
    Vitamx, Nov 12, 2003
    #38
  19. Vitamx

    Bit Twister Guest

    Why sure, but, you were not asking how to configure samba on linux.
    You were asking how to make winders aware of a new box on the lan.
     
    Bit Twister, Nov 12, 2003
    #39
  20. Vitamx

    noone Guest

    /sarcastic mode on

    Really?? You mean __the most__ important?
    Wow!

    /sarcastic mode off
    So, after all your so-called "research", you have not heard of WINS ??
    Even while you are using Windows PCs and no linux hosts ?

    Amazing !
    And you do not know why ?
    Because you __refuse__ to do what you have been told to do.

    Answer me: Why do you refuse to do at least the last answer I made to
    you, which was:

    "3) Otherwise, you have to modify \WINNT\system32\drivers\etc\hosts and
    add an IP address and hostname pair in that file for the linux machine."

    Why do you refuse to do it ?
    Why do you refuse to do it ?
    Why do you refuse to do it ?
    Why do you refuse to do it ?
    Why do you refuse to do it ?
    Why do you refuse to do it ?
    Why do you refuse to do it ?
    "Beyond the shadow of doubt" --- mmmm...
    Even though WINS is a protocol from Microsoft.

    You asked: "What is WINS?"
    I said: "Windows Internet Naming Service / Resolution", or more
    precisely, "Windows Internetworking Name Server"

    If you want to know more about it, go to a microsoft newsgroup. It is
    Microsoft's protocol!!!
    You can use SAMBA in 2 ways ( as a server or as a client ).
    In your case, because you do not have DNS within your network, you want
    to somehow register the NetBIOS name of your linux PC with other Windows PC.

    http://au1.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection.html#id2884219

    http://www.linux.org.au/LDP/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO.html


    Don't tell me that you have not read the above after all your research.
     
    noone, Nov 12, 2003
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