Shortly going from Sky fibre to Plusnet fibre

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by David, Feb 25, 2015.

  1. David

    David Guest

    I use with Sky their Hub SR102 on its own and use all 4 of of its output
    ports I see Plusnet do things completely different in that they still
    use Technicolor router I used to use with Be ADSL

    This means OR will fit a unit between it and the master socket using one
    of the 4 ports.

    So I will have only 3 ports available to me.

    Any simple cheap ways of getting my 4th connection back?


    Regards
    David
     
    David, Feb 25, 2015
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    Woody Guest

    A five port or eight port Cisco Gigabit switch from Expensive World.

    http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/search-keywords/xx_xx_xx_xx_xx/gigabit+switches/xx-criteria.html
     
    Woody, Feb 25, 2015
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    UnsteadyKen Guest

    UnsteadyKen, Feb 25, 2015
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  4. David

    Graham. Guest


    just buy a Gigabit switch and cascade it to one of the router ports.

    Have you got your MAC from Sky yet?

    I was with BE ADSL2+ and was moved to Sky
    Speed dropped, but no more than I expected
    Suffered from occasional early morning disconnections since the
    switch,
    but what has done it for me, is last week they withdrew
    smtp1.bethere.co.uk without warning, and I can't get my Raspberry Pi's
    to send on their Yahoo server.
     
    Graham., Feb 25, 2015
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  5. David

    Woody Guest

    A hub slows things down as it broadcasts everything on every port
    received from any port. A switch however 'learns' what addresses are
    on which port and routes them accordingly thus making everything
    quicker.

    IME you will be unlikely to find any hub doing more than 100Mb and
    most only do 10. Given that switches are so cheap why not add future
    proofing and get a gigabit switch?
     
    Woody, Feb 25, 2015
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  6. David

    David Guest

    My ordering with Plusnet told me they would take care of the transfer of
    line and services for me and I was to do nothing. There was a note if
    they were to require a MAC they would ask me to get one, so far they
    haven't.

    Plusnet have confirmed the same take over date of all the services, Sky
    have confirmed cancellation as that date too.
    So all looks in place.
    Regards
    David
     
    David, Feb 25, 2015
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    Brian Mc Guest

    : My ordering with Plusnet told me they would take care of the transfer of
    : line and services for me and I was to do nothing. There was a note if
    : they were to require a MAC they would ask me to get one, so far they
    : haven't.

    You don't normally need a MAC if the new ISP is taking over the whole
    line (including voice calls). MACs are for "Broadband only" transfers.
     
    Brian Mc, Feb 25, 2015
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  8. David

    Graham. Guest

    It's unlikely to be a hub, more likley the seller used that word out
    of ignorance.
    Further down it's described as a 10/100 network switch with MDI/MDIX.

    BT started this hub confusion, I think the first Home Hubs had built
    in DECT and VoIP. The name must have seemed very appropriate to the
    marketing people.
     
    Graham., Feb 25, 2015
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    Woody Guest

    Nah. There's always been confusion over the differences between a hub,
    switch, and router for those who are 'network challenged.'
     
    Woody, Feb 25, 2015
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  10. David

    David Guest

    Another question now if I may.
    Plusnet are suppling a Technicolor TG582n route which has one of the LAN
    ports configured as a WAN port to receive the signal from the BT modem
    I'm informed to make it ok for fibre with the BT modem.

    I have in my loft 3 Thomson/Technicolor routers from Be (O2) will these
    have this required port?
    Be 585
    TG587n
    Be box V2

    I believe the TG587n was a better unit only given to selected customers
    for loyalty.
    Plusnet users appear to think the Plusnet router TG582n is not up to much.

    Thanks
    David
     
    David, Feb 26, 2015
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  11. I don't know about Plusnet's policy, but from a technical viewpoint, I
    believe the opposite is true. The 587n has been discontinued, and
    replaced by the 582n.

    I have a 582 on ADSL, supplied by A&A, and have found it extremely good;
    considerably faster than my old Linksys router.

    HTH.
     
    Tony van der Hoff, Feb 26, 2015
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    Woody Guest

    IME <anything> is faster than a Linksys router!
     
    Woody, Feb 26, 2015
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    Roger Mills Guest

    The router supplied by PlusNet looks like a perfectly normal ADSL
    Modem/Router with a port for connection to a telephone line plus 4
    ethernet LAN ports *except* that one of the ethernet ports is marked in
    red to indicate that it is a WAN port. And here lies the rub. My
    understanding is that converting a LAN port to a WAN port requires the
    router to be flashed with different firmware (which PN have either done,
    or have had it supplied with the modified firmware).

    So my guess is that, to use any of your other routers, you would need to
    change the firmware - not just the config.
    --
    Cheers,
    Roger
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    Roger Mills, Feb 26, 2015
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    Woody Guest

    Possibly not the case.

    Although I am on cable I recently decided to get a better router and
    add some future-proofing so got a TP-LInk AC750 Archer D2 which will
    handle both ADSL and fibre, fibre of course being just an ethernet
    input from the fibre modem. The option of which is in use is a simple
    switch in the router software, and it is definitely a better router
    than my previous.
     
    Woody, Feb 26, 2015
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  15. The TG582n does not need flashing to change from using its internal
    ADSL modem to working with the external Huawei VDSL modem provided by
    Openreach. Just plug a short ethernet cable between the two boxes and
    make a simple configuration change in the router. Takes a few seconds.

    Rod.
     
    Roderick Stewart, Feb 27, 2015
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  16. David

    Roger Mills Guest

    Fair enough, if you know that to be the case. I was basing my statement
    on an earlier exchange with Bob Pullen of PlusNet in which he said that
    the router supplied for FTTC - with the red WAN port - had "different
    firmware".
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    Roger
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    Roger Mills, Feb 27, 2015
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  17. It does, however the differences between the two firmwares are typically
    around the configuration of the network interfaces. the ADSL firmware
    uses a PPPoA-instance bound to the rj-11 outlet, whereas the FTTC
    firmware relies on a PPPoE instance bound to the fourth ethernet port.

    You probably could change the config yourself but you'd have to get down
    and dirty with the CLI. Alternative is to flash the appropriate router
    firmware - http://products.plus-payh.co.uk/firmware/

    FWIW, we're starting to ship Sagemcom 2704n's instead of the 582n in a
    lot of instances now. This device operates in a similar fashion (PPPoE
    over the fourth ethernet port), however there's an option in the GUI to
    flick it between ADSL and FTTC mode.
     
    Plusnet Support Team, Feb 27, 2015
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    Phil W Lee Guest

    Yhe TG582n can be configured to use adsl with 4 ethernet ports for the
    LAN or to use one ethernet port for WAN with the three remaining ones
    for the LAN.
    The ethernet port which has the red marker is the only one which can
    be configured to be either LAN or WAN, and it can only be WAN if the
    ADSL port is unused (so no failover to 3G, for example).
    The ability to partition one ethernet port from the others is not
    fundamentally different from any switch capable of setting up VLANs.
     
    Phil W Lee, Feb 28, 2015
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  19. David

    David Guest

    Says use the Red lead, is this lead different in connections?
    Regards
    David
     
    David, Feb 28, 2015
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  20. David

    Woody Guest

    It might be. Technically if you are connecting a modem to a modem the
    cable should be crossover.

    This is easily overlooked as the likes of most laptops these days are
    self sensing and will adjust according to whatever is connected.
     
    Woody, Feb 28, 2015
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