Routers (adsl) reliable ones, ii seems many people have problems

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Guest, Nov 4, 2005.

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    Guest Guest

    Hi,

    Got no problems with a Speedtouch (stingray) or 330 - both work well
    and seem reliable - but it would be nice to have the freedom to do
    what I like with the PC without losing the ADSL connection.

    Reading up on routers in places like adslguide.org, it seems it's not
    just the cheaper end that have problems, reputable makes such as
    netgear, etc, seem to have firmware and pwr issues, necessitating
    routine pwr down of the routers - maybe a modem is more reliable :)

    So, Belkin, Netgear, BT, other - what problems in the real world (not
    review) really exist - what makes currently on the market work well.

    You can pay between £50-200 - are the more expensive ones more
    reliable in terms of leave on for months?

    Wired is a necessity - but wireless with it would be nice to have I
    guess - but not essential.

    Many thanks.

    Ice
     
    Guest, Nov 4, 2005
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    Kraftee Guest

    All I can tell you is that the Draytek router I'm using now is more
    stable than the Netgear, D-link, 3 Com or Linksys ever were. Netgear
    does come a close second though
     
    Kraftee, Nov 4, 2005
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    Alex Heney Guest

    I only have experience of two routers - a 3Com and a Netgear (both
    with Wireless).

    IME, the Netgear is significantly superior. But I haven't tried
    upgrading the firmware, on the principle of "if it ain't broke..."

    I always turn off at night, so I don't know what might happen if left
    turned on for weeks at a time. But I do tend to have it on for up to
    18 hours a day. In that time, the 3Com would lose internet
    connectivity on average half a dozen times. I've only had the Netgear
    a couple of weeks, but it hasn't done it *once* yet (with Plusnet, on
    a moderately iffy line - 61-63 dB attenuation, 22-24dB noise margin).
     
    Alex Heney, Nov 5, 2005
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    Martin² Guest

    Draytek is the best, but of course not cheap, my original one never missed a
    bit in two years.
    In fact I am so confident that I bought a VoIP version on Ebay at half
    price.
    Plenty available, if you are patient you can get a bargain.
    Regards,
    Martin
     
    Martin², Nov 5, 2005
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    Peter Guest

    Draytek. You should be able to get one on Ebay but may have to wait a bit.
    Mine has run and run and run!
     
    Peter, Nov 5, 2005
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    stephen Guest

    there seems to be a lot of variation in the reports - some of that may be
    down to manufacturing issues.

    having a good ADSL line with a good signal / noise ratio and low noise
    levels around the link and your house helps a lot

    some routers effectively reboot if they have to retrain - which breaks
    connectivity for attached PCs (i set one up for a friend - this was a
    Netgear on a line with 8 dB noise margin, and a replacement 3Com fixed the
    issue). The 3Com seems fairly stable and just stays OK unless the ADSL goes
    south (1 to 2 times / year).

    my feed is cable, so the connection from a recent Netgear WRG614 to NTL is
    Ethernet to a set top box. The old one (again Netgear, an FR314) tended to
    need a reboot every month or so - but that was caused by the NTL cable box
    choking and needing a power cycle. New set top box is Samsung rather than
    Pace and is more stable and reliable.

    a lot of the reliability stuff depends on what you do with it.

    gaming stresses the boxes more than simple downloading, browsing and email.

    the killer seems to be those who run peer to peer sharing - lots of
    connections for the router to manage.
    the touchstone for commercial use routers are cisco (like them or loath them
    they are pervasive)

    FWIW of the 1000s we run at work on MPLS and ATM / FrameRelay (mainly 17xx,
    26xx these days for small feeds on ADSL, ISDN and N*64k lines), the average
    MTBF between failures is around 4 years (reboots are more common, but
    normally driven by config change or code upgrade).
    we have a much smaller installed base of little routers (again mainly cisco)
    on Internet feeds, but similar reliability is the order of the day there as
    well.
    i think you are assuming that different models from the same manufacturer
    get similar results, but i suspect it is much more hit and miss than that.
     
    stephen, Nov 5, 2005
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  7. I personally use 2 different routers for 2 different purposes. I have
    a Netgear DG834G on my home connection and a Draytek 2600G on my work
    one. The Draytek cost twice as much as the Netgear as does have
    superior functionality, though not by much. It's a pretty decent bit
    of kit and essentially just sits there doing the job.

    That said, the Netgear is better value for money. It's more stable
    and easier to use which might be a bonus if you're new to routers. All
    the company reps use this box at their home offices and I have several
    friends who use them too. Some of the friends in question have bought
    them to replace previous routers and, off the top of my head, the
    routers in question were a Belkin, a Linksys and a USR. All boxes
    perform equally well, all users consider them far superior to the
    units they replaced.

    For an office I'd say get a Draytek - very thorough syslog, excellent
    handling of VPN, QOS options etc. For a home connection I'd say get
    the Netgear, far cheaper (half the price), much easier GUI, more
    support options due to the large number in use, better access controls
    for family use etc. It's also ADSL2+ capable, though I suspect for
    the majority of the UK that's a long way off anyway.
     
    Simon Pleasants, Nov 7, 2005
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    Kraftee Guest

    You forgot to tell him to upgrade the firmware.....
     
    Kraftee, Nov 7, 2005
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    Martin² Guest

    Simon:
    You mean the chance to speak to Ahmed In Bangalore ?
    (I did, it was waste of time)
    Regards,
    Martin
     
    Martin², Nov 8, 2005
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  10. Agreed (now there's a rare thing). I was thinking of a much bigger
    userbase meaning there are far more people with first hand experience
    to provide help.

    Netgear support? *What* support?
     
    Simon Pleasants, Nov 8, 2005
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    Martin² Guest

    Simon:
    Agreed (now there's a rare thing :)
    Regards,
    Martin
     
    Martin², Nov 9, 2005
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