Recommend good reliable basic router?

Discussion in 'Home Networking' started by G.Landon, Jul 12, 2008.

  1. G.Landon

    G.Landon Guest

    You guys were great about six months ago when I had just spent two whole
    weeks trying to get a router working with my desktop and laptop.

    But now, unfortunately, the router has died. It's not the adaptor. It's
    definitely the router. Damned nuisance.

    This time I don't want to buy a factory refurb which doesn't come with an
    installation disc and documentation, because that'll only give me the grief
    I had trying to install the last one - until you guys were able to help me
    to get the thing to work. (But even then it took us about a week to trick
    the thing into gear!)

    What do you recommend?

    I have a desktop (which will connect to the router via an ethernet cable)
    and a laptop (with a wireless connection). The router needs to be beside
    the desktop and the laptop will never be more than 8 metres away.

    I don't know what made the last router die. It could have been some kind of
    power surge. So if there's a router that comes buffered against attacks
    like that, all the better!

    Happy to order online or go pick up from Comet or Curry's. (Don't have any
    other suppliers around this neck of the woods.)

    I need something known to be reliable and long-lasting. Really don't want
    to be plunged into this hell again for a good few years!

    Thanks.
     
    G.Landon, Jul 12, 2008
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    Rob Morley Guest

    Avoid Belkin, D-Link and (probably) Netgear. Currys list the Linksys
    WRT54GR-UK for £40, which is probably a good bet and not ridiculously
    expensive.
     
    Rob Morley, Jul 12, 2008
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    robert Guest

    An installation disk isnt necessary and documentation is easy to
    download from the website for Netgear products, though once you have
    pointed your browser to the router/modem all the setup menus have good
    help on them.
     
    robert, Jul 12, 2008
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    Dr Zoidberg Guest

    Why?
    My Belkin has been fine for at least 4 if not 5 years and the one at my
    dad's is now getting on for three and has been just fine.

    I wouldn't rush to avoid any of the well known brands including the 4 you
    mention.
    There will be occasional faulty ones of all brands but no major widespread
    issues.
    --
    Alex

    "I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"

    www.drzoidberg.co.uk
     
    Dr Zoidberg, Jul 12, 2008
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    Paul P Guest

    Avoid Belkin, D-Link and (probably) Netgear. Currys list the Linksys
    WRT54GR-UK for £40, which is probably a good bet and not ridiculously
    expensive.

    Why do you say to avoid those models? Is it because you don't have the
    first
    clue about computers and can only tell people how to get a router going if
    it is the same model as the one you have?
    I see many people like you claiming to be experts, but know very little.
    Some
    even run companies then come asking in this group for help and sell it on.

    There is nothing wrong with Netgear routers, they are one of the easiest to
    set
    up. They also feature QoS if you want to google for that. Nothing wrong
    with
    DLINK either if you don't try updating it with the wrong firmware version!
    Dlink has no UK support, but why would people ever need it? They are easy
    to configure and get going. Most routers are. Belkin are OK too, never had
    any
    problems with them.

    The person who posted the message will be back again in a few months saying
    his new router is knackered. It's down to his error and/or misunderstanding
    for
    the router no longer working as it should. Unfortunately that is more
    difficult to
    address. So is your lack of knowledge.

    You can tell a mile off when someone is a bit thick, they come to a
    newsgroup
    asking daft questions. Most would at least make the effort to look for
    adverts
    and prices of routers. The original message to me reads as, "I'm thick and
    can't
    set up a router - what do I do?".
     
    Paul P, Jul 12, 2008
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    Paul P Guest

    You must be thick! It doesn't take two weeks, it takes 2 minutes.
    Why do you think it is the router? If you tell us what you have tried to
    mess
    about with we can tell you how to fix it in minutes. A denial that you have
    broken it will mean you don't get help.
    You are definitely thick then if it took you two weeks to get the first one
    going
    and a further week to get the second one going! What is it you have
    difficulty
    in understanding apart from basic English?
    Read the manual, then use the CD with the router. Or get an adult to help
    you.
    Power surge? Oh get a life, is that the new word for "I've messed with
    settings"?
    You will for as long as you can't follow simple instructions!
     
    Paul P, Jul 12, 2008
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    Rob Morley Guest

    To wind you up, twat.
     
    Rob Morley, Jul 12, 2008
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    Mortimer Guest

    I find Netgear easy to set up (the menus are fairly intuitive). They also
    have fault-logging so if the router fails to connect to broadband, you can
    see the reason why - eg that it is bad username/password etc.

    Dlink can be a bugger to set up and you seem to need to totally reboot the
    router to make any config change. I don;t think they have fault-logging,
    though I don't have recent experience of these (I think it's mainly the G604
    that I've used) so things could have changed.

    Linksys are good but in my experience they are susceptible to failure - it
    is significant that although the majory of the routers that I install are
    Netgear, out of the minorty of Linksys that I have been called to, a high
    proportion have failed - either a transient failure needing a reboot or
    positioning somewhere cooler, or a permanent failure of the ADSL modem -
    this is for WAG54 routers, mainly.

    Whatever router you go for, it must be able to display signal strength -
    attenuation and noise margin - without these it is very difficult to
    diagnose the cause of failure-to-connect-to-ADSL problems.

    If you do go for the Netgear DG834 range (eg DG834G, GT, PN, N) I suggest
    that you avoid the DG834N if you are using Belkin wireless adaptors: I have
    had several cases where these cards have been unable to connect to the
    router - in one case it was a total failure to establish a wireless
    connection; in another case it connected and the PC could access the
    internet but other PCs could not access the PC with the Belkin card.
    Changing temporarily to a DG834G solved the problem, as did permanently
    changing to a Netgear USB adaptor (the one that is advertised as being 100%
    compatible with the N router - I think it's WN111).

    For the record, my own DG834GT router is about four years old and has only
    been rebooted about ten times - either due to power cut or else to moving it
    elsewhere to test against a customer's router. It had given me faultless
    service and provides excellent wireless coverage throughout my house.

    But you may get other people saying that they prefer a different make of
    router - they may be just as biassed as I am ;-)
     
    Mortimer, Jul 12, 2008
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    Gordy Guest

    I grabbed a £25 buffalo from ebuyer a few months back. Great little router
    that runs 3rd party firmware (if you want it too). Some manufacturers
    (linksys for example) have started crippling there products too make then
    less desirable to hack meaning they take out lots of ram and flash memory :/

    Any how my buffalo has been running fantasticly and i squeeze a lot of
    trafic through it both wired and wireless. 2 pc's, a laptop, iphone and 2
    consoles. Wireless is much more stronger and stable on this too then my old
    Linksys wrt54g.

    Gordy
     
    Gordy, Jul 13, 2008
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    PeeGee Guest

    Mortimer wrote:
    [snip]
    I have no experience of Linksys, but my son said he wouldn't buy one
    (when he worked for Cisco) as Cisco seem to look down on their "mass
    market products".
    I've used three different makes (Safecom/ebuyer, Zyxel and Netgear/sky)
    and all performed reliably.

    --
    PeeGee

    "Nothing should be able to load itself onto a computer without the
    knowledge or consent of the computer user. Software should also be able
    to be removed from a computer easily."
    Peter Cullen, Microsoft Chief Privacy Strategist (Computing 18 Aug 05)
     
    PeeGee, Jul 13, 2008
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    G.Landon Guest

    Thanks very much Mortimer, Rob, Zoidberg, PeeGee, Robert, & Gordy.

    After several hours studying three websites where purchasers can say
    whatever they feel about computer-related products, I've decided upon a
    NetGear DG834G.

    Literally hundreds of people have written that NetGear routers are
    exceptionally easy to install because the NetGear installation process has
    been well designed. I have also found that few NetGear buyers have
    complained of any form of "router failure" (including death) within the
    first two years of use. On the other hand, it has been interesting to see
    that there is widespread agreement that if a router gives more than two or
    three years of continual usuage it is fortunate. Bearing that in mind, as
    well as my fairly simple requirements of a router, the price of the DG8345G
    (as low as £40 from some suppliers) is reasonable.

    Anyway, thanks again for all helpful thoughts and suggestions.
     
    G.Landon, Jul 13, 2008
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    Eddy Guest

    What a totally ugly and loathsome response to what appears to be a very
    genuine posting.

    Eddy.
     
    Eddy, Jul 13, 2008
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    Mortimer Guest

    Yes I thought it was OTT as well. I hope the OP doesn't think that *all*
    people in this group are as gratuiously insulting and patronising as Paul P
    evidently is.

    I install routers and sort out problems with them all day long, but I
    sometimes find that a supposedly straightforward "two minute" job can take
    considerably longer.

    If the OP can say what he's tried and what leads him to thinking that it is
    definitely the router that is at fault, I'll try and help him.

    First things to confirm:

    - is it all PCs that are affected?
    - can the PCs ping the router (come back to me if you'd like info on how to
    test this)
    - are the PCs connected by Ethernet cable or wireless?
    - did the router work and then suddenly fail
    - did you change anything that coudl have caused the failure
    - what lights are displayed on the router
     
    Mortimer, Jul 13, 2008
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    Tim.. Guest

    Linksys- yes good, but can spontaneously stop working for no apparent
    reason. Especially WAG54's!

    DLink- no, just no. (not for routers anyhow) Ditto Belkin.

    Netgear- easy to use and set up, lots of features without being over
    complicated for a novice and reliability seems on the whole excellant. Avoid
    the N models tho.

    Tim..
     
    Tim.., Jul 15, 2008
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    Eddy Guest

    Hi, Mortimer. Thanks for the reassurance. I visit occasionally just to
    see what's what. I think when I saw Paul P's unwarrantedly aggressive
    response to the OP it put me in mind of the kind of attitude that drives
    all these stabbings we have been having recently . . . and I believe the
    way to stop the stabbings, the sudden grab for the knife-as-solution, is
    to stamp out at grass roots that nasty aggressive attitude that is at
    the roof of it.

    Eddy.
     
    Eddy, Jul 15, 2008
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  16. Good choice IMHO. I've had a DG834G here giving reliable service for
    ages, and have set up a fair few for other people. They are basically
    a set up and forget piece of kit.

    One bit of advice though if you live in a rural location - damage
    caused during thunderstorms due to lightning strikes on phone poles
    can damage routers. I've had many calls from people with non
    functioning kit following thunderstorms. It's a good idea to unplug
    from the phone line if you've storms about, as a precautionary
    measure anyway. No idea whether this also applies to towns and cities,
    others will probably advise.
     
    Andrew Sayers, Lincolnshire, Jul 15, 2008
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    deKay Guest

    There are widespread issues with Belkins. I had to send mine back, and
    when I was in PC World a few weeks later, there were two people in the
    queue returning Belkin routers, two on the returns counter, and a pile
    of them in behind the returns counter.

    There is a known (to Belkin) issue with the firmware on most of their G
    wireless kit (not just routers). The main problems are settings not
    saving, passwords locking you out, and routing tables not operating.
    They haven't released a fix for it, and told me they were unlikely to.

    deKay
     
    deKay, Jul 21, 2008
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