Re: Peterson's Death Sentence

Discussion in 'Linux Networking' started by Aunty Kreist, Jan 20, 2005.

  1. I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich The Philosophizer
    That's quite normal behaviour on Usenet, and Kevin is by no means the
    most eager participant in the ad-hominems. IIRC, he limits his
    allegations to 'fool' and 'liar'.

    In case I seem always to be springing to his defence, I would explain
    that I have a fear of the consequences of misunderstanding, and much of
    what K writes is misunderstood, partly because of the way he writes.
     
    John Woodgate, Jan 31, 2005
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  2. I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich The Philosophizer
    I'm not. I get depressed from time to time, and I'm certainly not often
    euphoric, but I'm not often miserable, especially now I don't have to
    try to play field games on a Wednesday afternoon. (;-)
     
    John Woodgate, Jan 31, 2005
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  3. I read in sci.electronics.design that John Fields <jfields@austininstrum
    True. We can conceive of all sorts of unresolvable dilemmas. Does it
    help to try to solve them, when we know they are inherently insoluble?
    Is that not just a waste of time and brain-power?
     
    John Woodgate, Jan 31, 2005
  4. I read in sci.electronics.design that John Fields <jfields@austininstrum
    In the sentence, 'Its lead has broken again', said Simon; 'Its pulling-
    power is just too much for these plastic things.', the first its
    correctly has a capital letter, but the second its's capital letter is
    wrong.
     
    John Woodgate, Jan 31, 2005
  5. Aunty Kreist

    John Fields Guest

     
    John Fields, Jan 31, 2005
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    keith Guest

    Sure, but you gave in to an invalid argument against your analogy. The
    pro-abortion types siezed on this as an argument that there is a continuum
    in everything, thus there is no sense in making any distinctions (the
    moral relativism falacy).

    There must be some level at which we define "green". Color
    (wavelength) is not a continuum, but we do make (sometimes arbitrary)
    decisions where the lines are drawn. We may not agree where to draw this
    line (I rather see things bluer than many and women are better at color
    differentiation), but the fact is that life is descrete. We make choices,
    whether we draw thick lines or thin.

    While I agree with your premiss that life begins at conception, I
    don't like the consequences of that definition. The pro-abortion people
    prefer choice over life, I don't like that stance either. I think it
    absolutely intollerable that they would kill an infant at 9mos, 30 seconds
    before the head pops out of the birth canal. To force a breach-birth just
    to kill the infant, in the name of "health of the mother" should be
    first-degree murder. It is in fact willful ending of an innocent life.

    Inbetween conception and viability I have a personal moral issue.
    Emotionally I believe life starts at conception, but intellectually I'm a
    little uncertain. I'd go with the "brain-wave" hypothesis, or even the
    first trimester free pass, but the pro-abortionists stance isn't at all
    reasonable.

    What *pisses* me off is the *courts* dictating public policy! They have
    no business making law! RvW is a perfect example of judicial legislation.
    Every justice involved in that decision should have been impeached.
     
    keith, Feb 1, 2005
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    Noah Roberts Guest

    Because it makes me mad.
     
    Noah Roberts, Feb 1, 2005
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    Noah Roberts Guest

    The secret is in the hanged man.

    If you are trying to be happier all the time you will never be happy.
    You can always be happier. Life can always be better. Unless you stop
    looking for the big payback and just accept what will be; cause shit is
    going to happen whether you accept it or not.

    I might also paraphrase Bruce Lee (and he someone else) and say that
    sometimes people are not satisfied with being happy, they have to notice
    that they're happy. As if being happy isn't good enough for them they
    have to stop and judge their happiness level.

    This is almost universal to all religion and philosophy, with some
    exceptions of course.

    The 'secret' is to let go, stop wanting so much, and be fulfilled with,
    or thankful for, what you got. Sounds easy, but it's not.

    This doesn't mean you have to stop chasing dreams, but remember, it's
    the trip that counts, not the destination.

    You also don't have to believe in a God/Gods/whatever to make this ideal
    a part of you. If you think it will work you just apply it.
     
    Noah Roberts, Feb 1, 2005
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    Noah Roberts Guest

    Hehehe this just gets more and more rediqulous as it goes on.

    ........... => base 10 = 10
    ........... => base 8 = 12
    ........... => base 16 = A
    ........... => base 3 = 31

    Quantities stayed the same, symbols changed.

    Doesn't this level of pedantry mean the argument is over?
     
    Noah Roberts, Feb 1, 2005
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    Noah Roberts Guest

    Ok, I am going to tell a joke and then be done. This comes from a short
    Twilight Zone that came out in the 80's. The Simpsons also did a little
    spoof along similar lines.

    A mathematician is struggling to beat all on a highly complex formula
    and is reaching the end of his ropes. He cries out, "I would sell my
    SOUL to figure this out!" Immediately he hears a strange sort of woosh
    sound and turns around to see, you guessed it, The Devil.

    The man cries out, "Who the hell are you?" The devil replies, "I am
    Satan, Lord of the Underworld and Master of all domains. You said you
    would sell your soul to find the answer to that equation and so I am here."

    The man stammers, "But, but, that was just a figure of speech. I have
    no intention of selling my soul."

    "I am afraid it just doesn't work like that," explains the devil, "you
    called, I am here. Now you must battle me for possession of your
    eternal soul."

    "How do I do that?"

    "You must ask me a question I cannot answer or give me a task I cannot
    perform. You may now ask me three questions to help you at which point
    you must ask me the final question or assign me a task I cannot perform.
    And I must warn you, none since Plato have succeeded!"

    "Are you serious?!"

    "Yes, I am," The Devil answers with a big grin.

    "Hmm...," thinks the mathematician, "So what exactly do you know?"

    At this point The Devil proudly explains how there isn't anything
    humanly fathomable or otherwise that he is not fully versed in. He
    knows every language, every physical law, every mathematical property,
    he simply knows everything, there isn't a question he cannot answer, and
    is quite proud of this fact.

    "Shit," cries the man, "Well where can you go?"

    At this point The Devil goes into another spat of prideful boasting and
    explains how he can go all the way across the universe and back in an
    instant, he can travel to Heaven or to Hell and it is all the same.
    There isn't a place he can't go and there isn't a place he can't get
    back from anywhere in existence or otherwise, instantly.

    "Man, this is hard."

    "Now," asserts The Devil, "Now you must ask me a question I cannot
    answer or assign me a task I cannot perform or I get your soul."

    The man cries out, "But I still have one more question!"

    "No," explains The Devil, "You asked three questions already, the first
    was, 'Are you serious?'"

    "Fucking hell!" cries out the man.

    "Exactly!" grins The Devil, "Now, ask me a question I cannot answer or
    give me a task I cannot perform."

    The man thinks it over as The Devil gets more and more impatient. "If
    you cannot ask me a question I cannot answer or give me a task I cannot
    perform then you forfeit and I get to take your soul into hell and
    eternal torment."

    "Wait!", cries the man, "I got it!"

    "Well?" asks The Devil.

    The man steps forward, looks The Devil right in the eye and says, "GET
    LOST!"

    At this The Devil lets out an ear shattering scream and shrinks away
    back into Hell where he came from. The mathematician lets out a short,
    "Hmph," turns around, and goes back to work trying to find the answer to
    the equation he was working on.
     
    Noah Roberts, Feb 1, 2005
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    Noah Roberts Guest

    Its kind of silly how something simple gets overblown and starts going
    off on a thread of its own. Someone stated something to the effect that
    the illogical cannot be reasoned or thought about. I said that the
    human mind is not purely logical. Someone said I was wrong and that is
    why I posted that little paradox.

    Take from it what you will. And that is all I have to say about thaaat.
     
    Noah Roberts, Feb 1, 2005
  12. Aunty Kreist

    Noah Roberts Guest

    Here is the show stopper guys. I am sick of this argument...I figure I
    may as well end it.

    ***
    An omnipotent being is quite logically not, in any way, hindered by its
    non-existence if it doesn't, in fact, exist.
    ***

    You simply CANNOT argue against THAT. God help the poor soul that
    tries. (I'm not that nice, I'll just point and laugh)
     
    Noah Roberts, Feb 1, 2005
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    Parse Tree Guest

    Oh, I'm sure it'd be possible in some custom logical systems, too. Just
    not in the conventional ones that are used.

    No, but that doesn't mean that our logic doesn't dictate that he is
    logically impossible.
     
    Parse Tree, Feb 1, 2005
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    Parse Tree Guest

    Pretty much is not the same as feeling that exact way. The point is that
    in the actual statements there would be an encoding of the preference,
    so that the outcome could be determined.

    It's a question of utility.
     
    Parse Tree, Feb 1, 2005
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    Parse Tree Guest

    What I'm wondering, is what you mean when you say that a country does
    what it thinks is in its own best interests. I understand how you'd
    evaluate based on an individual, and what they think and desire. But how
    does it work for a country?
    Oops! I know the rule but sometimes I slip up.
     
    Parse Tree, Feb 1, 2005
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    Parse Tree Guest

    Technically speaking, when you're converting words into something like
    propositional logic, then but is just another conjunction.

    I used the but, because I was demonstrating that in order to accept
    that, you'd also have to accept the ridiculous claim of my godhood.
    They're both equally viable.
     
    Parse Tree, Feb 1, 2005
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    Parse Tree Guest

    No, all math is in base 10 by convention unless otherwise specified.
    We're talking about too different things. I'm talking about the inverse,
    where the quantities remain the same and the symbols change.

    Ie. Changing the equation from base 10 to base 8 by actually changing
    the symbols, rather than just writing that it's now in base 8 (without
    changing the symbols).

    Specifying that it was in base 10 was no more necessary than mentioning
    that it was written using arabic numerals.
     
    Parse Tree, Feb 1, 2005
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    Parse Tree Guest

    Why didn't he just ask what to ask? Or ask what Plato asked?
     
    Parse Tree, Feb 1, 2005
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    Willem Guest

    I wrote:

    )>And finally, I believe that

    John wrote:

    ) ---
    ) ???
    ) ---

    Hmm, I don't recall what I was going to type there, sorry.

    ) Well, no. I prefer to believe that until _all_ miracles are proven not
    ) to be supernatural occurrences, the existence of a supernatural is
    ) possible.

    In other words, you believe in the supernatural until it is proven beyond
    a doubt that it does not exist.
    But other people believe in the nonexistence of the supernatural until it
    is proven that it does exist.

    An argument for the second way of thinking is that it simplifies matters.
    You can go with the assumption that the things we *know* are accurate
    enough to be able to predict what will happen, and thus guide us through
    our lives.

    Do you have an argument for the first way of thinking ?


    SaSW, Willem
    --
    Disclaimer: I am in no way responsible for any of the statements
    made in the above text. For all I know I might be
    drugged or something..
    No I'm not paranoid. You all think I'm paranoid, don't you !
    #EOT
     
    Willem, Feb 1, 2005
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    Noah Roberts Guest

    Cause it is a joke dummy.
     
    Noah Roberts, Feb 1, 2005
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