Re: Peterson's Death Sentence

Discussion in 'Linux Networking' started by Aunty Kreist, Jan 20, 2005.

  1. Aunty Kreist

    Noah Roberts Guest

    You sure? That is quite a statement.

    It is most definately possible to think this way. I do it all the time.
    Suppose John wants to talk to the man in charge because he wants
    something done that only the man in charge can make happen. But he
    doesn't want to talk with Scott because Scott is an asshole. Since
    Scott is the man in charge we have a paradox that John has to resolve by
    deciding which is more important to him.

    So if I don't logically exist, by your reasoning (if you can call it
    that) but do still, it isn't much of a leap to think that something
    omnipotent exists even though it logically doesn't.
     
    Noah Roberts, Jan 31, 2005
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  2. Aunty Kreist

    Noah Roberts Guest

    And that doesn't change the fact that logically you can't apply logic to
    determine the existance of something omnipotent.
     
    Noah Roberts, Jan 31, 2005
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  3. Aunty Kreist

    Parse Tree Guest

    Indeed. While intuitionist mathematics has discarded the law of the
    excluded middle, there is no system of which I'm aware that discards the
    law of noncontradiction.
     
    Parse Tree, Jan 31, 2005
  4. Aunty Kreist

    Noah Roberts Guest

    There are theories that you are.
     
    Noah Roberts, Jan 31, 2005
  5. Aunty Kreist

    Noah Roberts Guest

    Mob mentality, group think...

    People are total ignorant assholes even if the individual person is not.
     
    Noah Roberts, Jan 31, 2005
  6. Aunty Kreist

    Parse Tree Guest

    Does that matter?
    It depends on what you mean by postulating. Can we postulate something
    with contradictory properties? Something that has both 4 horns and 0 horns?
    Always with the alternate bases. ;_;
    They may not accept it, but that doesn't make the logic any less true.

    Anyway, I don't really believe them. I think that they do care about the
    logic a great deal, which is why they argue that it's not logically
    impossible in the first place.
     
    Parse Tree, Jan 31, 2005
  7. Aunty Kreist

    Parse Tree Guest

    No, he wasn't talking about god violating physics. He was talking about
    god violating logic. If logic is incorrect, then science is incorrect.
     
    Parse Tree, Jan 31, 2005
  8. Aunty Kreist

    Parse Tree Guest

    The human mind is restricted by logic, though.
     
    Parse Tree, Jan 31, 2005
  9. Aunty Kreist

    Parse Tree Guest

    What if I put forward my neighbor as god? He's a bit above average.
     
    Parse Tree, Jan 31, 2005
  10. Aunty Kreist

    Parse Tree Guest

    Except the problem is in invalidating logic. If logic is not true
    everywhere, then it is a bit much to claim that it is true in the first
    place.
     
    Parse Tree, Jan 31, 2005
  11. Aunty Kreist

    Parse Tree Guest

    That doesn't change the fact that god would still be logically
    impossible using our system of logic.
    But none of these things change the fact that applying logic to him
    proves that he can't exist. You're just supposing that there are perhaps
    more valid ways of determining his existence.
     
    Parse Tree, Jan 31, 2005
  12. Aunty Kreist

    Parse Tree Guest

    It's not possible to feel this way.
    Yes, he can't exist.
    That would be valid if you added in some more qualifications about time,
    and so forth (having Scott stop being the man in charge, for instance,
    or put a time restriction on the desire).
    If you did think exactly as above you could not logically exist, yes.
     
    Parse Tree, Jan 31, 2005
  13. Aunty Kreist

    keith Guest

    Hmm, why give up on color being a continuum so quickly? If distance and
    time are discrete, why would color be?
    I see the problem here as being one of definition. What is conscious? I
    don't see it as a problem with it being a continuum (or not), rather that
    we have no way to define the term.

    <snip>
     
    keith, Jan 31, 2005
  14. Aunty Kreist

    Parse Tree Guest

    I don't think a country thinks at all. The people in the country may,
    but that's entirely different.
     
    Parse Tree, Jan 31, 2005
  15. Aunty Kreist

    Parse Tree Guest

    Using our logic, it is logically impossible.
    Yes, but it would also be perfectly logical for me to be that omnipotent
    being.
     
    Parse Tree, Jan 31, 2005
  16. Aunty Kreist

    Parse Tree Guest

    It wasn't necessary.
    No, it changes the symbols. The quantities referred to do not change.

    Anyway, you can't really specify that equation in another number base
    without adding semantic info.
     
    Parse Tree, Jan 31, 2005
  17. Aunty Kreist

    Parse Tree Guest

    Heh. I think he meant them as being laws which cannot be broken, like
    the laws of nature. Although in the Asimovian universe, even that was
    not really the case.
     
    Parse Tree, Jan 31, 2005
  18. Aunty Kreist

    keith Guest

    Opposite? Please! The may not be orthogonal, but they are certinaly *not*
    opposite ends of anything. To make my point, place a rock (or your head)
    on the consciousness[----]sentient meter.

    +--- Damn, the needle broke!
     
    keith, Jan 31, 2005
  19. Aunty Kreist

    Parse Tree Guest

    Do you have some more aversion to judgement?

    Is this a Christian thing? Because I've found that some Wiccans are much
    the same, in that their tolerance is such that they're unwilling to
    judge any ideas, and consider them all equal. Of course they don't hold
    ot this in actuality, but they claim it nonetheless.
     
    Parse Tree, Jan 31, 2005
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    Parse Tree Guest

    It's actually more common than you'd think...
     
    Parse Tree, Jan 31, 2005
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