Ping and Tracert

Discussion in 'Linux Networking' started by Geoff Lane, Apr 13, 2008.

  1. Geoff Lane

    Jurgen Haan Guest

    Lol.. I did not know that there still were some relics alive that feed
    the Windows vs Linux thingy. Thought that died last century.
    Face it, these days windows and linux (and macos) are both usable OS-es
    and users get along quite well.
    Jurgen Haan, Apr 14, 2008
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  2. Geoff Lane

    Moe Trin Guest

    On Mon, 14 Apr 2008, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.networking, in
    Minor quibble - Tracert is the windoze version of traceroute, and it
    does use ICMP Echo (Type 8) as you describe. 'traceroute' is the
    original program that microsoft sorta copied and the original version
    used UDP packets to ports not likely to be in use (above 33434). It
    was later modified to be able to _also_ use ICMP Type 8, although not
    all versions now available have this selection.
    But not for the versions using ICMP, as that protocol has no port numbers.
    Assuming the final destination is replying to pings (many people block or
    disable such responses due to abuse), the response to an ICMP style trace
    would be an echo reply (ICMP Type 0) rather than the Time Exceeded error
    message (ICMP Type 11 Code 0) sent by intermediate routers.
    Assuming the ping is not disabled or blocked.
    Good question. Which group is it that you don't read?

    Old guy
    Moe Trin, Apr 14, 2008
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  3. Geoff Lane

    Geoff Lane Guest

    Fortunately most people on newsgroups are polite and helpful.

    Geoff Lane
    Geoff Lane, Apr 19, 2008
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    Geoff Lane Guest

    Thanks Rob for very informative reply.
    I thought that was the correct way to do it if sending to more than one
    group, does not the Followup-To: go to just one group. I was criticised
    some time back (Not in this group) for sending duplicate messages to two
    different groups.

    Geoff Lane
    Geoff Lane, Apr 19, 2008
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    Dave Uhring Guest

    And I would have been had you not been completely off topic by posting a
    windows question in a Linux NG.
    Dave Uhring, Apr 19, 2008
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    Rob Morley Guest

    Apparently it was incorrect in some details, but you get the idea ...
    It does - so if you reply to my followup I'll never see it if I'm not
    reading the group that you set followup to (unless you also send it to
    my email address - that will work for me, but many people use an invalid
    address, or one that never gets checked). Also it's customary to state
    in the post that you have set followup to a particular group.
    I think duplicate messages are generally deprecated as the resulting
    discussion is fragmented or duplicated. Crossposting to two or three
    groups is often OK, depending on your choice of groups - obviously they
    have to be appropriate to the subject, and the culture of some groups is
    anti-crossposting. uk.comp.home-networking is pretty low-traffic and
    on-topic lately, so crossposting here shouldn't cause any problems. I
    don't know about comp.os.linux.networking - those Linux people can be a
    bit strange at times. ;-)
    Rob Morley, Apr 20, 2008
  7. Geoff Lane

    Geoff Lane Guest

    I normally do but must have missed on this occasion.
    Fortunately many are very knowledgeable and helpful and I do run Ubuntu
    Linux as well as XP, hence the post to a Linux group.

    Geoff Lane
    Geoff Lane, Apr 20, 2008
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    Rob Morley Guest

    I'm too lazy to be able to claim that I'm running Linux ATM, although I
    have a couple of distros installed and I started using it over 10 years
    ago. I do intend to migrate from Windoze, but I've been saying that for
    years and it hasn't happened yet ... maybe this year ...
    Rob Morley, Apr 21, 2008
  9. Geoff Lane

    Geoff Lane Guest

    I can strongly recommend looking at

    This distro is gaining in popularity, is based on Debian.

    My wifi worked with no effort on my part apart from the security code.

    My Multi Function printer/scanner/card reader is connected to my Ubuntu
    machine and the printer and scanner is all available to my network.

    Geoff Lane
    Geoff Lane, Apr 22, 2008
  10. Geoff Lane

    Geoff Lane Guest

    Yes, I agree people who make mistakes are intolerable.

    Geoff Lane
    Geoff Lane, Apr 22, 2008
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    Bernard Peek Guest

    It's worth noting that there is a new release of Ubuntu due in a few days.
    Bernard Peek, Apr 22, 2008
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    Jim Cochrane Guest

    It would have read better if you had said:
    Jim Cochrane, Apr 23, 2008
  13. Geoff Lane

    Rob Morley Guest

    I already have Xubuntu installed, along with Slackware (can't remember
    which versions, it's a while since I played with them). I spent some
    time trying to run my favourite mail and news apps on Wine, then trying
    to find Linux equivalents that I liked as much, but it's just too easy
    to go back to the familiarity of Windoze despite my good intentions.
    I'll keep trying. :)
    Rob Morley, Apr 23, 2008
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