No software is free and spreading that misconception is harmful.

Discussion in 'Linux Networking' started by Penang, Dec 29, 2008.

  1. Penang

    Penang Guest

    This morning I saw something rather troubling, a one liner on a forum,
    so I clicked the link, ended up at a blog at
    http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/linux-stop-holding-our-kids-back.html

    Since the blog is rather long, I'll quote just the essential part :

    Linux - Stop holding our kids back

    This blog is momentarily interrupted to bring you a snippet of
    recently received email.

    "...observed one of my students with a group of other children
    gathered around his laptop. Upon looking at his computer, I saw he was
    giving a demonstration of some sort. The student was showing the
    ability of the laptop and handing out Linux disks. After confiscating
    the disks I called a confrence with the student and that is how I came
    to discover you and your organization. Mr. Starks, I am sure you
    strongly believe in what you are doing but I cannot either support
    your efforts or allow them to happen in my classroom. At this point, I
    am not sure what you are doing is legal. No software is free and
    spreading that misconception is harmful. These children look up to
    adults for guidance and discipline. I will research this as time
    allows and I want to assure you, if you are doing anything illegal, I
    will pursue charges as the law allows. Mr. Starks, I along with many
    others tried Linux during college and I assure you, the claims you
    make are grossly over-stated and hinge on falsehoods. I admire your
    attempts in getting computers in the hands of disadvantaged people but
    putting linux on these machines is holding our kids back.

    This is a world where Windows runs on virtually every computer and
    putting on a carnival show for an operating system is not helping
    these children at all. I am sure if you contacted Microsoft, they
    would be more than happy to supply you with copies of an older verison
    of Windows and that way, your computers would actually be of service
    to those receiving them..."

    Karen xxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxxxx Middle School
    AISD
     
    Penang, Dec 29, 2008
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  2. Penang

    1PW Guest

    This started about three weeks ago. The teacher is from an Austin,
    Texas USA school. It's interesting if you follow what has occurred
    since.
     
    1PW, Dec 29, 2008
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  3. Penang

    Matt Giwer Guest

    You get what you pay for when you let teachers unionize. You can't fire the
    incompetents or the idiots.
     
    Matt Giwer, Dec 29, 2008
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  4. Penang

    kkt Guest

    My experience is that spreading FUD about any OS other than
    Microsoft's starts at the top of organizations, not individual
    workers. It would be interesting to hear what the Austin School
    District's IT people are telling the teachers.

    -- Patrick
     
    kkt, Dec 29, 2008
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  5. Penang

    tad Guest

    Sorry I'm lazy. Do you have a link?
     
    tad, Dec 29, 2008
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  6. Penang

    Bart Lateur Guest

    http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/

    The original post (as quoted) is the entry for Dec 8, but do check out
    the followup from Dec 12.
     
    Bart Lateur, Dec 29, 2008
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  7. Penang

    1PW Guest

    1PW, Dec 29, 2008
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  8. Penang

    just john Guest


    Bullshit.

    For example:

    http://just-john.com/node/5

    Software, written by me. Free. (Fly, my pretties!)

    Not GREAT software, but stuff I could link to in under thirty seconds.
     
    just john, Dec 29, 2008
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  9. There, fixed that for you. You're welcome.
     
    The Sicker Vicar, Dec 29, 2008
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  10. Nobody is an idiot because they don't know what Linux is. If that were
    true, then many Linux people would also be considered idiots because
    they don't know anything about plumbing or battle aircraft construction.

    Human endeavors are so diverse and so numerous that it is impossible for
    any single person to know everything about everyone and everything else.
    Since it is "normal" for someone to be unaware of what Linux is, because
    they didn't happen to hear about it so far, calling a teacher stupid
    because she didn't know about Linux, especially after she has *resolved*
    this particular issue, is not good.

    It may seem like it should sound surprising to some of us (including me)
    that there are people who don't spend a lot of their time hacking away
    at computers. This is "ok" though. We need people who know about house
    construction, as much as we need plumbers, designers, decorators, poets,
    painters, and ship builders or spaceship engineers. The multitude and
    diversity of human lives around us is what makes this a beautiful planet
    and a wonderful place to live in.

    So let's cut down a bit on that name-calling shall we? :)
     
    Giorgos Keramidas, Dec 29, 2008
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  11. Penang

    David Brown Guest

    People often mistake ignorance for stupidity - the teacher was ignorant
    about Linux, as are many people, and that is easily cured.

    However, her apparent (based on what I've read on the net) knee-jerk
    hysterical reaction to the kid demonstrating Linux is not idiocy, nor
    ignorance - but it is *not* the sort of attitude one wants or expects
    from a teacher. As far as I have read, it never occurred to her to
    actually *talk* to the kid, or ask him what he was doing. It certainly
    never occurred to her to learn a little about the subject at hand before
    firing off emails threatening legal action.
    I agree on that - lets try to identify the problems, not just find
    someone to blame.
     
    David Brown, Dec 30, 2008
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  12. Rev. 11D Meow!, Dec 30, 2008
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  13. "SODDI" TOTALLY WROATSED!
    INFER INFER!!!

    WinDozer!!!


    aka Dumb-ASS!!!
     
    Rev. 11D Meow!, Dec 30, 2008
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  14. Penang

    Joe Pfeiffer Guest

    Joe Pfeiffer, Dec 30, 2008
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  15. Rev. 11D Meow!, Dec 30, 2008
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  16. see http://BlogRallTRUE!.corn

    refute that!


     
    Rev. 11D Meow!, Dec 30, 2008
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  17. Penang

    1PW Guest

    Hello SODDI

    I originally picked up in a blurb at <http://linux.slashdot.org/>.
    However, that was a few weeks back and I'm afraid the story has probably
    slipped into their achieves by now:

    <http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/10/001236>

    I /do/ share your need to find the original source, however, most
    everything I've see so far seems to quote the same news story with its
    misspellings. At first I was mildly suspicious that the story was
    invented to gain favor for Linux. However some truths seem visible
    through it all. What do you think about all this?

    Pete
     
    1PW, Dec 31, 2008
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  18. Penang

    Unruh Guest

    What would a news story give you? And in the followup the teacher realised
    that she was wrong, and was sorry and learned how Linux really worked. It
    was also true that student was in class at the time, and the situation was
    disruptive.
     
    Unruh, Dec 31, 2008
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  19. Penang

    Bob Eager Guest

    Bob Eager, Dec 31, 2008
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  20. Penang

    Matt Giwer Guest

    He said nothing about linux. He spoke in favor of MicroShit. That is what
    makes him an idiot. He lied, presumably unknowingly, but as I am not a Jesuit
    I will not debate the meaning of lie. He spread false information AND, repeat
    and, STOLE as in misdemeanor theft, disks multiple times. Those are all crimes.

    Last time I heard ignorance is no excuse and this teacher is a criminal as
    well as a liar.

    So let us not play games with word meanings.

    His only legal recourse is to correct his statement and return the disks and
    to keep his ignorant, idiot mouth shut on the subject now and in the future
    until he learns what he is talking about.
     
    Matt Giwer, Jan 1, 2009
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