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Discussion in 'Linux Networking' started by Doug Laidlaw, Aug 7, 2006.

  1. You have to admit he can be entertaining. I'm a troll because I have
    x-no-archive in my headers and only trolls use that, apparently. It
    stops him fom easily discovering that my usenet posting history goes
    back about fourteen years.
     
    Dave {Reply Address In.sig}, Aug 8, 2006
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  2. Who is Alan Connor?

    Alan Connor is the inventor and implementor of the final ultimate
    solution to the spam problem, and everyone who dares claim otherwise
    is a spammer.
    That is basically the gist of the messages Alan sometimes spews into NANAE.

    Alan Connor is appearently also active on many other newsgroups.


    So what is he raving about?

    In reality, Alan's system is known as a challenge-response or C/R system;
    it auto-answers incoming email with a challenge and only lets the email
    through if it receives a valid response. There are several problems with
    this concept, but Alan doesn't want to hear them. In addition,
    Alan's system isn't even a very good implementation of the C/R concept,
    as it fails to address the chicken-egg problem that is inherent to C/R:
    What if your C/R system sends a challenge to an email address that is
    also protected by a C/R system? Because of this, Alan and Timo Salmi,
    another C/R advocate, are unable to email eachother. So basically Alan's
    system is a broken implementation of a flawed concept.

    http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/kooks/ac/

    Also in the headers for Alan to read.
     
    alan connor FAQ, Aug 8, 2006
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  3. Who is Alan Connor?

    Alan Connor is the inventor and implementor of the final ultimate
    solution to the spam problem, and everyone who dares claim otherwise
    is a spammer.
    That is basically the gist of the messages Alan sometimes spews into NANAE.

    Alan Connor is appearently also active on many other newsgroups.


    So what is he raving about?

    In reality, Alan's system is known as a challenge-response or C/R system;
    it auto-answers incoming email with a challenge and only lets the email
    through if it receives a valid response. There are several problems with
    this concept, but Alan doesn't want to hear them. In addition,
    Alan's system isn't even a very good implementation of the C/R concept,
    as it fails to address the chicken-egg problem that is inherent to C/R:
    What if your C/R system sends a challenge to an email address that is
    also protected by a C/R system? Because of this, Alan and Timo Salmi,
    another C/R advocate, are unable to email eachother. So basically Alan's
    system is a broken implementation of a flawed concept.

    http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/kooks/ac/

    Also in the headers for Alan to read.
     
    alan connor FAQ, Aug 8, 2006
    #23
  4. Who is Alan Connor?

    Alan Connor is the inventor and implementor of the final ultimate
    solution to the spam problem, and everyone who dares claim otherwise
    is a spammer.
    That is basically the gist of the messages Alan sometimes spews into NANAE.

    Alan Connor is appearently also active on many other newsgroups.


    So what is he raving about?

    In reality, Alan's system is known as a challenge-response or C/R system;
    it auto-answers incoming email with a challenge and only lets the email
    through if it receives a valid response. There are several problems with
    this concept, but Alan doesn't want to hear them. In addition,
    Alan's system isn't even a very good implementation of the C/R concept,
    as it fails to address the chicken-egg problem that is inherent to C/R:
    What if your C/R system sends a challenge to an email address that is
    also protected by a C/R system? Because of this, Alan and Timo Salmi,
    another C/R advocate, are unable to email eachother. So basically Alan's
    system is a broken implementation of a flawed concept.

    http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/kooks/ac/

    Also in the headers for Alan to read.
     
    alan connor FAQ, Aug 8, 2006
    #24
  5. Doug Laidlaw

    spike1 Guest

    WTF? The header contains a hell of a lot more than a (might I add) GENUINE
    e-mail address.
    Partial? hahahahahaha
    Posting from the xp group then?
    Spike Milligan was a snivelling punk?
    (not to mention all the fictional spikes out there, ranging from such places
    as tom and jerry, cowboy bebop and buffy)
    I'm sure his family would be horrified by this statement and would want to
    sue your arse off. When it comes to you conner, I admit to a little
    trollage, because you're so worthy of it.

    You've gorra love how he thinks he knows usenet conventions.
    But obviously doesn't. If a name by the e-mail address was a requirement,
    why does tin not force the issue?
    --
    ______________________________________________________________________________
    | | |
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    | in | suck is probably the day they start making |
    | Computer science | vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge |
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     
    spike1, Aug 8, 2006
    #25
  6. Doug Laidlaw

    123 Guest

    No, left.
     
    123, Aug 8, 2006
    #26
  7. Doug Laidlaw

    Hadron Quark Guest

    Why do you insist in that horrible signature? It does break the
    conventions and is terribly "in your face", detracting from the actual
    post. The conventions are there for a reason.
     
    Hadron Quark, Aug 8, 2006
    #27
  8. Doug Laidlaw

    spike1 Guest

    Aye, and I'm a troll because my sig is 4 lines too long and I don't have a
    name in my from: header.

    I don't bother with x-no-archive, so he could easily (and probably did)
    check my posting history which goes back 7 years or so on this e-mail
    address. (and another 4 years using my previous one).

    Of course, he couldn't admit he had checked my posting history cos then he
    couldn't claim it was a typical trollish one and was "partial"
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    | Computer Science | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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    spike1, Aug 8, 2006
    #28
  9. Doug Laidlaw

    Jim Guest

    What're you, the Usenet Police?

    --
    When all else fails...
    Use a hammer.

    http://www.dotware.co.uk

    Some people are like Slinkies;
    They serve no particular purpose,
    But they bring a smile to your face
    When you push them down the stairs.
     
    Jim, Aug 8, 2006
    #29
  10. Doug Laidlaw

    spike1 Guest

    1: it was never a "convention", only a guideline.
    2: It was instituted as a guideline back in the dim and distant past of 300
    baud modems and 20 meg hard drives.
    Big deal, it's 4 lines too long (or so, it varies).

    AFAIC, 10 lines is fine for a sig, it's not as if most clients don't filter
    it or colour it in a way to be unobtrusive anyway.
    50 line sigs (or the famous 1000 line(ish) kibo sig are taking the piss, but
    what's 400 bytes between friends?

    I suppose I could update some of the quotes, but I'm too lazy.
    --
    ______________________________________________________________________________
    | | |
    |Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)| "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't |
    | in | suck is probably the day they start making |
    | Computer science | vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge |
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     
    spike1, Aug 8, 2006
    #30
  11. Doug Laidlaw

    Spoons Guest

    They are also hated by the innocent whose email address has been forged.

    http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Mail/challenge-response.html

    http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/329.html#CR

    Challenge/response spam filtering

    Description: This "selfish" method of spam filtering replies to all
    email with a "challenge" - a message only a living person can
    (theoretically) respond to. There are several problems with this method
    which have been well known for many years.

    1. Does not scale: If everyone used this method, nobody would ever
    get any mail.

    2. Annoying: Many users refuse to reply to the challenge emails,
    don't know what they are or don't trust them.

    3. Ineffective: Because of confusion about these emails, many of
    them are confirmed by people who did not trigger them. This results in
    the original malicious email being delivered.

    4. Selfish: This is the problem we are mainly concerned with. By
    using challenge/response filtering, you are asking innumerable third
    parties to receive your challenge emails just so that a relatively few
    legitimate ones get through to the intended recipient.
     
    Spoons, Aug 8, 2006
    #31
  12. Doug Laidlaw

    Hadron Quark Guest

    And since most everyone conforms to the guidelines it is a convention. Surely?
    For other reasons too : to keep attention on the article. Its a human
    man machine interface thing. Really.
    You're a reasonable person : I open your post and the first thing that
    grabs my eye is your huge, dense signature. I could configure gnus to
    turn them off, but other people conform, are not "in your face" and
    might be of some interest.

    You duplicate your email in an extra line (its already in the post
    header) and than take 3 lines to declare a BSc in CS. This could take
    one line and conform to the guidelines and not piss anyone off. because
    big signatures do piss people off : its why there are
    guidelines. Nothing to do with disk space. Readability. And repetition.

    You could have as below with no issue. 3 lines. Transparent. Even
    thought personally I wouldnt flaunt my extensive education because of
    the times I **** up and make a mistake :)

    ,----
    |
    | --
    | Andrew Halliwell. BSc(hons) CS.
    | <quote here>
    |
    `----


    While we're at it, the recommended MAX length of lines is 79 characters
    (not 80). I used to disagree with that because it should be the client
    newsreader's job to do with the data what it will. But then I saw a
    perfect world where things were done properly. But in the real world
    they dont and people tend to hard wrap their posts. It's history and,
    like driving on the left hand side of the road in the UK, we're stuck
    with it for better or worse.

    Net police? Not really. Just discussing pros and cons.
     
    Hadron Quark, Aug 8, 2006
    #32
  13. Doug Laidlaw

    spike1 Guest

    Actually, the recommended max length is about 75 to allow for quoting, but
    as the sig shouldn't be quoted anyway, it doesn't matter for that.
    --
    ______________________________________________________________________________
    | | |
    |Andrew Halliwell BSc(hons)| "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't |
    | in | suck is probably the day they start making |
    | Computer science | vacuum cleaners" - Ernst Jan Plugge |
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     
    spike1, Aug 8, 2006
    #33
  14. Doug Laidlaw

    Alan Connor Guest

    That email address was one of the first entries in my mail
    filter's blocklist, years ago.

    Hard to forget. And I just checked the blocklist. Still there.

    He must be a real punk.

    Thinks he is a 'warlock'. An Evil Sorcerer.

    Nope. Just another punk troll. Running his punk mouth
    for someone other than me to read while he hides behind
    the Internet with his tail between his legs where his
    balls should be.

    http://groups.google.com/advanced_group_search
    Jim Richardson
    Results 1 - 100 of 1,790 posts in the last year
    1 alt.politics.usa.republican
    3 alt.support.child-protective-services
    4 alt.sysadmin.recovery
    83 comp.os.linux.advocacy
    1 comp.sys.mac.advocacy
    1 rec.games.trading-cards.magic.rules
    1 rec.guns
    1 rec.radio.amateur.antenna
    4 talk.politics.guns
    1 talk.politics.misc

    83 of his last 100 posts on cola?! A troll's sockpuppet for
    _sure_. That group is nothing but a cesspool of bitch-mouthed,
    dickless trolls pissing on each other with 50 sockpuppets apiece.

    Weird posting history. Definitely a troll's sockpuppet. The guns
    and politics groups are trollnests, too.

    Punks like this are ruining the Usenet. If it isn't already
    ruined.
    Isn't that cute?

    Trolls just have to let you know that they can mess with their
    headers. That you can't trust their headers. That they can
    deceive you.

    And it's a signal to other trolls to let them know that one of
    their brothers has arrived.
    <article not downloaded:
    http://slrn.sourceforge.net/docs/README.offline>

    Just let the punk trolls run their mouths.

    For someone other than me to read.

    It's what they do. It's _all_ they can do.

    Note: I won't be downloading any articles on this thread.

    Alan
     
    Alan Connor, Aug 8, 2006
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  15. Who is Alan Connor?

    Alan Connor is the inventor and implementor of the final ultimate
    solution to the spam problem, and everyone who dares claim otherwise
    is a spammer.
    That is basically the gist of the messages Alan sometimes spews into NANAE.

    Alan Connor is appearently also active on many other newsgroups.


    So what is he raving about?

    In reality, Alan's system is known as a challenge-response or C/R system;
    it auto-answers incoming email with a challenge and only lets the email
    through if it receives a valid response. There are several problems with
    this concept, but Alan doesn't want to hear them. In addition,
    Alan's system isn't even a very good implementation of the C/R concept,
    as it fails to address the chicken-egg problem that is inherent to C/R:
    What if your C/R system sends a challenge to an email address that is
    also protected by a C/R system? Because of this, Alan and Timo Salmi,
    another C/R advocate, are unable to email eachother. So basically Alan's
    system is a broken implementation of a flawed concept.

    http://www.pearlgates.net/nanae/kooks/ac/

    Also in the headers for Alan to read.
     
    alan connor FAQ, Aug 8, 2006
    #35
  16. So you say.

    And yet, you continue to reply. :)

    One can feel the rage in your responses, Alan. You should get help for
    that.
     
    Rhonda Lea Kirk, Aug 8, 2006
    #36


  17. Roy Scheissowich uses BoxTrapper, another C/R system, whilst whining about a
    constant barrage of spam.





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    Philip Callan, Aug 8, 2006
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  18. Doug Laidlaw

    Doug Laidlaw Guest

    I'm not responsible for the headers, Alan. It was originally created by
    Leafnode, which gave it a header, then perhaps the "outside" gave it
    another. The address 203.134.67.67 points to news.iprimus.com.au, which is
    my ISP.

    You are right to be wary, but anybody who writes "I won't read your reply"
    is more interested in offending other people than in getting at the facts.

    Doug Laidlaw
    Registered Linux User (but mothing will persuade you, and I can do without
    you.)
     
    Doug Laidlaw, Aug 9, 2006
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  19. Doug Laidlaw

    Doug Laidlaw Guest

    Jim, please, don't feed the troll.

    Doug, whose post started all this.
     
    Doug Laidlaw, Aug 10, 2006
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  20. Doug Laidlaw

    Doug Laidlaw Guest

    I wish he would get to the Pearly Gates and leave us to get on with living.
    He is also the final and ultimate reason for my blacklisting him and
    leaving this newsgroup. There are people elsewhere who are more interested
    in helping than in hating. Fortunately, they are not the exceptions - he
    is. And yet, I seem to recall an Alan Connor who was very helpful.

    Doug.
     
    Doug Laidlaw, Aug 11, 2006
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