More thoughts on caps and speeds.

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by David WE Roberts, Feb 22, 2005.

  1. Hi,

    Musing on how reasonable the caps are.

    I have just decided to build a new system using Linux Fedora Core 3.

    The DVD install image is just over 4Gbytes.

    This will blow away the 'low user' caps immediately.

    Assume that I download it but the checksum doesn't match - I then have to
    download it again to get a good copy.

    8Gb and counting....

    Problems with the DVD install so I download the 4 CD ISOs at .7Gb a pop.

    11Gb and barely getting into my stride.

    After install I need to get all the updates since the ISO was created,
    plus any applications not on the install CDs.

    Anything less than 30Gb for the month and I'm running out of steam.

    I did a rough spreadsheet and on a 512k line I think you could download
    about 5Gb a day if you ran it flat out. So it should take nearly a full
    day to download the DVD ISO.

    Upping the speed to 2Gbits/sec would cut that download speed by 4* -
    nearer to 6 hours for the download, so a 2Gb service does seem worthwhile
    if you run one (or more) Linux systems.

    I don't consider myself a heavy user - no games or warez and very little
    music - yet even a 15Gbyte cap for a month could leave me in serious
    trouble if that was the month I wanted to rebuild a system.

    15 Gbytes is downloading flat out for 3 full days (24 hour periods) or
    about 10% of the available time. Or using the link full speed for 10% of
    the time spread out over the month.

    I am coming round to the opinion that it isn't just the 'unsociables' who
    will have problems with capped services.

    Good deals on 1Gb uncapped for under £30 with a static IP?

    Dave R
    David WE Roberts, Feb 22, 2005
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  2. David WE Roberts

    Mikee Guest

    Assume u mean 1meg in which case HomeOffice1000
    Mikee, Feb 22, 2005
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  3. David WE Roberts

    Bob Eager Guest

    You won't get 1Gb/s for under œ30......! Did you really mean that?

    Well, I download a fair number of ISOs. I have 2Mb/s on my line, and a
    monthly daytime soft cap of 3GB. But bwtween roughly 8 p.m. and 6 a.m. I
    have no limit. So I schedule the downloads for then. Easy as pie.

    Oh, I get lots of static IPs and it costs me 27.02 a month. OTOH,
    perhaps the 3GB daytime cap would put you off anyway; I have to say I
    get nowheer near that.
    Bob Eager, Feb 22, 2005
  4. (a) a man can dream.....

    (b) Which ISP offers HomeOffice 1000 (or is it HMG?).
    David WE Roberts, Feb 22, 2005

  5. Nice to know - but which ISP?
    David WE Roberts, Feb 22, 2005
  6. Bob uses the ISP I used to use - AAISP. Look at for
    further info.

    Before anyone asks I left (and went to Zen) because I felt that with
    the kids getting older a 3GB daytime cap was too restrictive. AIUI the
    "off peak" times have been extended now so it might have been less of
    an issue for me.
    John Naismith, Feb 22, 2005
  7. David WE Roberts

    Mikee Guest

    whoops.......... meant to say Demon HOmeOffice1000... douh... more wine
    waiter if you please
    Mikee, Feb 22, 2005
  8. David WE Roberts

    Beck Guest

    How often do you expect to download a linux distro?
    Beck, Feb 22, 2005
  9. David WE Roberts

    dan Guest

    I need an unlimited service or one with a high cap >100Gb. I do not mind
    capped services as long as the uncapped services still exist. I would not
    mind paying a little bit more for no cap.

    Another point, is how many web servers can send at more than 2Mb? I ask
    because very few max the connection out. Microsoft does and a few others.
    What we need now is higher upload speeds so we can send files to people
    faster. Sending large files of 256k is tiresome!


    dan, Feb 22, 2005
  10. David WE Roberts

    Muxton Guest


    The majority I know of connect to their respective networks via a
    standard 100Mbps fast ethernet interface, and are not rate capped.
    The networks they connect to generally run gigabit cores.

    You'll find that they don't max out your connection because of
    constant renegotiation of the TCP transmission window between it and
    your router (i.e. "slow down a bit ... now speed up a bit ... okay,
    too much, slow down a bit again..." etc.) The same works in reverse
    if the server's very busy - it'll be asking your router to slow down

    Muxton, Feb 22, 2005
  11. David WE Roberts

    Alex Heney Guest

    This depends on which ISP you are talking about.

    With the Plusnet caps that are coming in, for instance, if you were on
    the 30GB cap, and your normal usage is inside that, then it wouldn't
    matter if you have an occasional month that goes up to anything you
    can physically download.

    You could also have scheduled the downloads overnight (between 1:00am
    and 8:00am) when they would not count towards the cap limit. There are
    several ISPs, I believe who have an off-peak period that does not
    count towards limits.

    Of course, if you are going to be doing that much most months, then yo
    would not want Plusnet, or any other ISP with a cap at that level.
    Totally uncapped, and sure to stay so for a reasonable time, not easy
    to find :-(

    £30 with the PN service referred to above will get you a 50GB limit,
    with occasional months higher allowed, off-peak not counting, and a
    speed as high as your line will allow.
    Alex Heney, Feb 22, 2005
  12. Demon HomeOffice 1000 will get you totally uncapped 1mbit at £29.99.
    F2S Connect Plus will get you 50gb capped 2mb at £24.99.
    Simon Pleasants, Feb 23, 2005
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    Spack Guest

    Pipex today announced that they're dumping 512k and migrating to 1Mbps for
    the same price, giving 1Mbps with no caps for £23.44 a month.

    Spack, Feb 23, 2005
  14. Migrating from Nildram to Pipex would seem a little wierd, given that Pipex
    own Nildram :)
    David W.E. Roberts, Feb 23, 2005
  15. David WE Roberts

    Spack Guest

    Um, who mentioned Nildram?

    Spack, Feb 23, 2005
  16. David WE Roberts

    Joe Guest

    On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:53:56 +0000, David WE Roberts

    It must be a British thing. What would you guys do without Linux
    distros to use as examples for big downloads? LOL!!!!

    What do you guys think is going to happen to you if you used a DVD
    movie as an example? Do you really think there's any likelihood that
    you'll get a knock on the door from the boys in blue? Just recently
    there was a report that the British are the biggest downloaders of TV
    programmes but if you were to believe the posts on forums across the
    net, the British never download anything but Linux distros. Poor
    Microsoft is obviously having a hard time of it in Blighty!

    Come out of the closet like the rest of us. It's not that hot out

    Joe, Feb 23, 2005
  17. David WE Roberts

    Bob Eager Guest

    As it happens, the *only* large files I download are:

    1) FreeBSD distros (mostly I don't; I get the CDs on subscription)
    2) Linux distros (when I really *have* to; Linux is a jumped up UNIX
    3) Distros of other systems you probably won't have heard of, for which
    I hold a licence

    Believe me or not; that's it. And I have a daytime cap of 3GB/month,
    unlimited at nigh/weekends.

    Yes, there are *some* people who mean it!
    Bob Eager, Feb 23, 2005
  18. David WE Roberts

    RD Guest

    Hi Joe,
    I d/l mandrake and suse:)
    Ecktually old bean, I've never d/l a dvd movie, or tv series ep..
    Never seen much on offer that I find of interest..
    As for MS, hell I use WinXP,Win2K and d/l service packs
    etc for them, had sp2 for WinXP before MS update started
    mucking about with onagain offagain crap.. Although I'd never
    let MS autoupdate my any of the OS's I always have a look
    1st and see whats on offer:)
    Its just possible that evreyone using adsl or sdsl in the UK doesnt
    actually d/l dvd's etc using p2p:) In fact its quite possible, given
    the adverage level of knowldge that few have even heard of p2p
    or bother with anything other than music:) Although I never had
    to use p2p for that, or adsl either:)

    RD, Feb 23, 2005
  19. David WE Roberts

    Wira One Guest

    For Fedora Core, I will expect to download a new release every 6 months :)
    And most probably weekly update too in the first month it goes out.
    Wira One, Feb 23, 2005

  20. Err.....I just did?
    Given that I'm with Nildram now and the new Pipex announcement looks a
    better deal.
    So moving from the woned company to the owning company for a better deal
    would seem a little wierd.

    Dave R
    David W.E. Roberts, Feb 24, 2005
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