Modem cable with twisted pairs. How important?

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Tim+, Aug 27, 2015.

  1. Tim+

    Tim+ Guest

    Since I've just finished rewiring my under-stairs cupboard for phone &
    broadband and installed my new VDSL router/modem, I'm wondering if there's
    any point worrying about the relatively short 1 metre modem cable that
    looks too flat to have any twisted wires within it.

    Should I worry or would any gains be insignificant? Currently on FTTC with
    Plusnet and I have the newest master socket with adsl modem socket & built
    in filters.

    Tim
     
    Tim+, Aug 27, 2015
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  2. "Tim+" wrote in message

    Since I've just finished rewiring my under-stairs cupboard for phone &
    broadband and installed my new VDSL router/modem, I'm wondering if
    there's
    any point worrying about the relatively short 1 metre modem cable that
    looks too flat to have any twisted wires within it.

    Should I worry or would any gains be insignificant? Currently on FTTC
    with
    Plusnet and I have the newest master socket with adsl modem socket &
    built
    in filters.

    Tim
    If you've gone to all that trouble the relatively cheap price of
    around £10 will get you a proper RJ11 with solid core and twists,
    whether it makes a big difference to your installation, I don't know
    but the satisfaction of doing everything right.........Well that's
    another thing....
     
    Kráftéé, Aug 27, 2015
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    Phil W Lee Guest

    Probably not significant over that distance, unless it is next to
    something which may be producing interference which you need to screen
    it from.
    If you have another cable that is twisted, it certainly wouldn't hurt
    to use that instead, but I wouldn't go out and spend money on one
    unless I detected a problem (high error rates or low speeds).

    What VDSL modem/router is it?
    If your under-stairs cupboard is small, you may want to keep an eye on
    temperatures in there, as they don't usually have any ventilation at
    all. Don't worry about that if it's a Billion 8800NL unless it's a
    very tiny space, as they run very cool (and therefore efficient).
     
    Phil W Lee, Aug 28, 2015
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  4. Tim+

    Peter Lawson Guest

    Kráftéé any chance you could stop using a long row of great-than symbols
    in your posts? It creates a complete mess in Thunderbird.
     
    Peter Lawson, Aug 28, 2015
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    Pete Forman Guest

    It renders fine in Emacs/Gnus.
     
    Pete Forman, Aug 29, 2015
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    AnthonyL Guest

    What is it? In the OP it shows as an solid line. I'm using an old
    Free Agent, pure ASCII text. If I reply to the message I cannot
    delete the line nor get underneath it. I don't even know how it
    displays in my reader at all.

    I assume Kráftéé's reader interprets it as rt-angle-bracket which
    is what I see in his response.
     
    AnthonyL, Aug 29, 2015
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    Peter Lawson Guest

    In Thunderbird a long row of greater-than signs renders as such:
    http://tinyurl.com/qhu34kd
     
    Peter Lawson, Aug 29, 2015
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    Bob Henson Guest

    It's because he uses the dreaded Windows Live Mail - better to just delete
    anything written with that abomination at source.

    --
    Bob
    Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

    I take long walks in the morning - before my brain works out what I'm
    doing!
     
    Bob Henson, Aug 29, 2015
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    Peter Lawson Guest

    As far as I know, even Windows Live Mail does not start every usenet
    message with 74 greater-than symbols! Of course Thunderbird is
    interpreting it as something that has been quoted 74 times, hence the
    interesting picture I posted previously.
     
    Peter Lawson, Aug 29, 2015
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    Andy Burns Guest

    Yes, but the users do know it doesn't do quoting properly, so they
    improvise a form of separators ...
     
    Andy Burns, Aug 29, 2015
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    Peter Lawson Guest

    Oh right, yes. I suppose 74 underscores might be more appropriate.
     
    Peter Lawson, Aug 29, 2015
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    Bob Henson Guest

    Of course, you are correct. But the necessity to add something as a
    delimiter is a problem caused by WLM's total unsuitability for use in
    newsgroups. His choice of a long string of those symbols is, equally
    obviously, his own. Here it just shows as a string of symbols as intended,
    because I have those dreadful graphical quoting bars that Thunderbird uses
    suppressed with Quote Colors extension.

    The point I was making is that, to save endless hassle, it is a lot better
    to just delete anything written with WLM than to faff around with the
    problem.
     
    Bob Henson, Aug 30, 2015
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  13. Live Mail Quotefix will solve the problem.
     
    brightside S9, Aug 30, 2015
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    Peter Lawson Guest

    Yep. If Microsoft couldn't be bothered to add quotation support to
    Windows Live Mail's Usenet facility they should have dropped Usenet
    support altogether.
     
    Peter Lawson, Aug 30, 2015
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    Graham. Guest

    Why bother, IFAIK WLM is not part of any OS, it's part of a separate
    package you have to download, so, instead of doing that, and applying
    a patch (that I suspect wont work properly), why not download a free
    product that works out-of-the-box like TB?
     
    Graham., Aug 30, 2015
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    Graham. Guest

    That's clearly part of Googlesoft's plan to kill Usenet.
     
    Graham., Aug 30, 2015
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    Kráftéé Guest

    "Graham." wrote in message

    Why bother, IFAIK WLM is not part of any OS, it's part of a separate
    package you have to download, so, instead of doing that, and applying
    a patch (that I suspect wont work properly), why not download a free
    product that works out-of-the-box like TB?

    _______________________________________________

    The fix doesn't work (in Win 10 on WLM 2012) and believe it or not I
    haven't found one 'reader' which does things the way I want so I stick
    with the devil I know.
     
    Kráftéé, Aug 31, 2015
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    Andy Burns Guest

    At least the underscores are preferable to the chevrons
     
    Andy Burns, Aug 31, 2015
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  19. "Andy Burns" wrote in message

    At least the underscores are preferable to the chevrons

    ______________________________________________

    Why blame others for the way your newsreader works.

    Seeing this is not a HTML/Graphical news group why do you allow your
    newsreader to change text to graphics?
     
    Kráftéé, Aug 31, 2015
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    AnthonyL Guest

    As I posted earlier I have afaik a pure text reader (FreeAgent
    v1.21/32). I get a solid black line which I cannot delete or get
    around when I try to reply. I still don't know what it is and why it
    displays as it does and why it is non-editable/deletable.

    I've tried a hexdump of the data file but as it contains data elements
    as well I haven't the patience to isolate the culprit's hex codes.
     
    AnthonyL, Aug 31, 2015
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