Linux has a long way to go before it becomes the major OS

Discussion in 'Linux Networking' started by Guest, Jan 22, 2004.

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    Guy Macon Guest

     
    Guy Macon, Feb 8, 2004
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  2. Yes. Honda Civic HX readily comes to mind. I know there are quite a few
    others too. They're even starting to make their way into more expensive
    cars too.



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    Ruel Smith (Big Daddy), Feb 8, 2004
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    Casper H.S. Dik, Feb 8, 2004
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      Guest

     
     , Feb 8, 2004
  5. Audi currently offers a CVT in their "A6 3.0" model
    (http://www.audiusa.com/model_home/0,,modelId-200407,00.html) at least
    in the U.S., and presumably elsewhere, too.

    Honda currently offers a CVT in their "Civic Hybrid" (gasoline/electric
    powered) model.
    (http://www.hondacars.com/models/specifications.asp?ModelName=Civic+Hybrid)


    Now can I ask, what do CVTs have to do with the newsgroups to which this
    was posted? (Not that I'm complaining...it's interesting stuff.)
     
    John-Paul Stewart, Feb 8, 2004

  6. Yeah.
    If something goes wrong with the transmission in an autotransmission car
    that one uses as a black box, then s/he has to pay $ Godawfulamount to a
    mechanic, but if you know more abt the innards, maybe you can repair it
    yourself. Same applies to compus running Linux. More control over hardware.
     
    Daneel Olivaw, Feb 8, 2004
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    Tim Haynes Guest

    [snip]
    I'll have to come back should I ever consider a honda or volvo, whilst
    feeling the urge to equip one with a linux-based mp3-player or sat-nav
    box? ;)

    ~Tim
     
    Tim Haynes, Feb 8, 2004
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    Ben Measures Guest

    Coupled together with Unix/Linux starting to be used/taught at
    Universities (and slowly making their way down to lower years),
    corporations will soon have no excuse not to make the switch. Tick, Tock.
    I just want to make sure I'm clear that I wasn't taking a poke anybody
    in particular, not least the engineers (you just gotta love 'em!).

    Hardware standardisation has always been a goal of many hardware groups
    (aye, for cost reasons), and they are getting there, if a little
    haphazardly. Many interfaces are now pretty much transparently standard,
    which is an excellent thing to have happened. Hurrah for the hardware guys!

    However, there is much to be done in terms of multimedia hardware,
    especially graphics cards. This is unfortunately a difficult area
    because they have become so powerful and complex as of late. Coupled
    together with complex patent issues it is difficult to write open
    sourced drivers for them. So it gets left up to the manufacturer.

    Thankfully, the top three (3d) graphics card manufacturers all have
    (unofficial) support for Linux with drivers that really are maturing, if
    a little slower than for Windows.

    Standardisation together with good (unofficial) drivers is slowing
    winning this battle.
    Mmmm, WINE - it maketh my heart merry. Good progress by the team, 'nuff
    said.
    [Post ends with "Europe - It's the Final Countdown" playing us out.;-D]

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    Ben M.

    PS, where are my darned schematics? I want schematics with my hardware
    like days of old!

    ----------------
    What are Software Patents for?
    To protect the small enterprise from bigger companies.

    What do Software Patents do?
    In its current form, they protect only companies with
    big legal departments as they:
    a.) Patent everything no matter how general
    b.) Sue everybody. Even if the patent can be argued
    invalid, small companies can ill-afford the
    typical $500k cost of a law-suit (not to mention
    years of harassment).

    Don't let them take away your right to program
    whatever you like. Make a stand on Software Patents
    before its too late.

    Read about the ongoing battle at http://swpat.ffii.org/
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    Ben Measures, Feb 8, 2004
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    Ben Measures Guest

    Lol, they keep me up nights too.

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    Ben M.

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    What are Software Patents for?
    To protect the small enterprise from bigger companies.

    What do Software Patents do?
    In its current form, they protect only companies with
    big legal departments as they:
    a.) Patent everything no matter how general
    b.) Sue everybody. Even if the patent can be argued
    invalid, small companies can ill-afford the
    typical $500k cost of a law-suit (not to mention
    years of harassment).

    Don't let them take away your right to program
    whatever you like. Make a stand on Software Patents
    before its too late.

    Read about the ongoing battle at http://swpat.ffii.org/
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    Ben Measures, Feb 8, 2004
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    Ruel Smith (Big Daddy), Feb 8, 2004
  11. Very interesting. Thanks for the links. I'm not surprised at
    the Civic hybrid (which seems like an ideal application for a
    CVT), but I wouldn't have guessed an A6 was available with a
    CVT.
    Nothing whatsoever.
    ;)
     
    Grant Edwards, Feb 8, 2004
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    Guy Macon Guest

    Linux has the automatic transmission if you want it. X plus KDE.
    Windows has the manual transmission if you want it. The Command
    Console. The difference is, as Daneel pointed out, is whether
    the transmission is a black box. With Windows, both the auto and
    the manual is a black box. You don't know what's going on inside
    and you don't have the tools to fix it. With Linux there are
    manuals that talk about the internals, accessports so that you
    can see the internals, a full set of tools, and a machine shop.
     
    Guy Macon, Feb 9, 2004
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    William Park Guest

    I suspect Microsoft is waiting for others to commit their companies on
    Linux platform. Then, Microsoft will come in and clean them up. "Kill
    many birds with one stone." There is nothing to prevent Microsoft from
    selling Linux OS. They will lose revenue from Windows sale, but they
    can raise MS-Office price proportionately.
     
    William Park, Feb 9, 2004
  14. Another reason may be that the people that run Microsoft have billion
    dollar egos, and admitting, in public, that Linux is good enough for
    the purpose, would be a billion dollar personal embarrassment.

    Gates is already a many-times-over-billionaire; he doesn't need MS
    Office-for-Linux in order to satisfy his need for wealth.
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    Christopher Browne, Feb 9, 2004
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    DAF had one for a while. Piece of junk, but it wasn't just the CVT's
    fault :)


    There were/are several CVT styles out, although the only one I am
    familiar with in modern usage is the stacked cones and belts version
    that the DAF and many snowmobiles use.

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    Jim Richardson, Feb 9, 2004
  16. Double the price of Office? MS has exactly two divisions making money
    (hand over fist): the Operating Systems group, and Office. Everyone
    else - Xbox, MSN, blah blah blah are losing money.

    MS is a convicted monopoly. They're not going to give up the one tool
    that they use to put hardware resellers over a barrel. And if you
    don't think the major vendors aren't over a barrel, tell me where I
    can buy a laptop *without* a Microsoft OS preinstalled.

    Major vendors being Toshiba, Dell, IBM, HP+Compaq, and Sony. Oh, and
    maybe Gateway...

    James
     
    I R A Darth Aggie, Feb 9, 2004
  17. Clinging to sanity, (I R A Darth Aggie) mumbled into her beard:
    The pricing of MS Office on MacOS is pretty impressive; it's quite
    likely that Microsoft makes more money off of the typical Mac purchase
    than Apple does... It would _certainly_ be the case that they would
    make more money off of a Linux sale than Torvalds does...
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    on the wenches as they walk the States House Yard."
    -- William Cobbett on Benjamin Franklin
     
    Christopher Browne, Feb 9, 2004
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      Guest

    ....and you are crossposting this into a bunch of Linux newsgroups - why?
     
     , Feb 9, 2004
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    Joe Guest

    You seem certain that an understanding of the computer is important.
    Why? A computer is a collection of extremely secret and proprietary
    hardware that evolves rapidly. Nobody fixes broken computers, they just
    throw away complete, unrepairable subassemblies and buy new ones. After
    a couple of years, they throw away complete, *working* subassemblies and
    buy new ones. Why do you need to know how they work?

    What you need to know about is software. Specifically, when one of
    today's extremely fragile collections of thousands of millions of bytes
    fails to do the job, how to fix it without wiping the whole lot and
    reinstalling. And don't just say "System Restore", that only works in
    the most blatantly obvious fault situations. When you haven't
    accidentally deleted a system file, when the problem is built into the
    software itself, it's worthless.

    To get much of an understanding of Windows you need a good understanding
    of how Linux works. From the deliberately different customs of DOS,
    Windows is slowly moving towards the Unix way of doing things. "Active
    Directory" indeed, it's just LDAP and Kerberos and some protocols for
    synchronising databases and administering ACLs.

    Read the Microsoft Press MCSE books for 2003 Server core "skills".
    There's almost nothing about how Windows works, it's all about using
    Microsoft's dialogue boxes to operate Microsoft's massive administration
    layer built over the OS. It's all about forests and trees and OUs and
    trusts and modes of operation depending which OS the other domain
    controllers run, and very little about troubleshooting driver and
    startup problems. And no, that's not because there are no problems.
    Absolutely correct. Though they are nearly that stupid. Windows is more
    widespread because it's much older, and grew up with the spread of the
    personal computer, over a period when there was no competition..
     
    Joe, Feb 9, 2004
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    Joe Guest

    A better analogy would be between automatic and manual choke, in the
    days of carburettors. Remember auto chokes, anyone? Did yours work?
     
    Joe, Feb 9, 2004
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