Jeff Liebermann - since you seem to be the one in the know

Discussion in 'Wireless Internet' started by Danny Kile, Jan 11, 2007.

  1. Danny Kile

    Danny Kile Guest

    Jeff Liebermann - since you seem to be the one in the know, I have a
    question for you, other may comment on this as well.

    I have DSL and a Buffalo WHR-G54S with DD-WRT v23 SP2 firmware, looking
    at this unit settings for wireless mode I see AP, Client and Client Bridged.

    Now for the situation and questions, in the near future, I hope I will
    be selling my home and hitting the road in an RV to travel this great
    country of ours. However, I will not be able to make it without Internet
    access (what has the world come to).

    The question is a lot of RV parks have Wi-Fi, however it is not always
    available throughout the complete site. What is the best way to get this
    to my RV and share it with both my wife's and I laptops? These laptops
    have built in wireless adapters I would prefer to keeps using these and
    not get an external USB or PCMCIA adapter. I know an external adapter
    would allow me to change the antenna to a higher gain, but I would have
    to do this to both PC.

    I am thing a small dish type antenna or some other high gain directional
    antenna connected to the WHR-G54S that can get the signal to the RV
    and the let the two Laptops connect to the WHR-G54S, would something
    like this work? Would I need more than one WHR-G54S? I have read
    somewhere that I could use this in bridge mode however, I would need
    access to the parks Router to enter my MAC Address, I know the park is
    not going to allow this, so what are my options? Also, even it they did,
    my WHR-G54S in bridge mode would connect to the parks router wirelessly,
    so I would have to connect to it through wired ethernet, but I still
    want the Laptops to use wireless connections? Also in the the setup that
    you recommend if there is any WEB site as to how to set this up, the
    links would be greatly appreciated. Need to know thing like SSID the
    same or not, Channel must be different.


    Thank for you time in this matter,


    Danny Kile
     
    Danny Kile, Jan 11, 2007
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  2. <snip>

    As a full-time RVer, my experience is that you're right: More often than
    not, coverage often does not cover the entire park with a strong signal.
    I solve the problem with a Hawking adapter, either the HWU54D or HWU8DD.<snip>
     
    Dave Rudisill, Jan 11, 2007
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  3. Danny Kile

    Danny Kile Guest

    Thank you Dave, I have considered both of those. However, I was hoping
    to have one setup I could use on both Laptops, this arrangement would
    require Two such setup one for each Laptop. Also if I could get the
    network access from a remote bridge/AP then we both could connect at the
    same time and we could also have a local LAN in the RV, allowing file
    and printer sharing. Thank you for the input and keep it coming I will
    consider all input.

    Danny Kile
     
    Danny Kile, Jan 11, 2007
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  4. Danny Kile

    seaweedsteve Guest

    OK. Until you hear from Jeff, here's an appoach:

    You want wireless inside your RV for two pcs, so you want an access
    point (AP) inside the metal box.

    Your current router will do that nicely.

    You want a client/bridge that will work well outside the metal box to
    connect with the site's network: For that, the best is probably to
    have seperate client/bridge/router-ish guy outside.

    A second one of the same Buffalo routers or perhaps the High Power
    version (HP) which is a bit more...powerful.

    The high-power one should be the outside radio/client.

    Then you run an ethernet cable from the outside one's LAN port to the
    inside router's WAN port for your local network.

    If you want to further increase your connection capability, you get a
    directional antenna or better yet, one of those panel antenna boxes
    that has/is a directional antenna and the router goes inside for
    weather protection.

    You put that on some sort of pole/swivel mount that you set
    up/telescope when you arrive and aim appropriately.

    To get fancy, you have a power outlet and an ethernet jack in a
    weatherproof box that you plug into when you pull out (or telescope up)
    your router/client box upon arrival.

    Voila! you got it all.

    Of course you will have to learn enough to handle the various setups,
    but that's quite do-able. With the Buffalos you could also do
    aftermarket firmware, but it's probably not needed. They already have
    a "bridge mode" switch on them.


    Steve
     
    seaweedsteve, Jan 12, 2007
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  5. Jeff is out of it for a day or so. Kidney stone. Ouch.
     
    Jeff Liebermann, Jan 12, 2007
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  6. Danny Kile <> hath wroth:

    Fast answers:
    <http://mactom.com/mactom.main/?section=RV&subsection=DataComm&page=Wi-Fi+Internet>

    The last two installs I did used motorized spotlight mounted on a
    small pedestal and with a 14dBi panel antenna hung over the top and
    fastened to the back of the light. When moving, it was just pivoted
    down until horizontal. I'll see if I can find some photos. These
    Go-Light's are available at most marine dealers, but I bought them on
    eBay for about $100.
    <http://www.golight.com/products/golight.html>
    The big headache was running the coax cable. I just punched a hole
    through the roof and left a huge 3ft service loop. Ugly, but I didn't
    want to butcher the spotlight too much.

    More when I recover...
     
    Jeff Liebermann, Jan 12, 2007
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  7. Danny Kile

    Tony Hwang Guest

    Hi,
    Really? Go to a health food store. Buy a product called Chanca Piedra
    (stone breaker in Latin coming from Amazon jungle) Take this two
    capsules 3 times a day with Marshmallow capsules. You'll know it works
    in about 3 days. I know it from others experience. My hobby after
    retirement is a Chartered Herbalist.
     
    Tony Hwang, Jan 12, 2007
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  8. Danny Kile

    seaweedsteve Guest

    I missed earlier that you are already running DD-WRT.

    Of course, instead of installing the 2nd router outside, you could just
    run a short low-loss cable from it to an exterior directional antenna.
    The motorized light mount does look cool.

    Here's the inexpensive panel antenna that we are using:

    https://secure.hyperlinktech.com/web/hg2412p.php

    Sorry I can't help much on the setup. Different channels. Different
    IDs.

    Cheers,
    Steve
     
    seaweedsteve, Jan 12, 2007
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  9. Danny Kile

    Danny Kile Guest

    Hope you get to feeling better real soon.

    Danny,
     
    Danny Kile, Jan 12, 2007
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  10. Danny Kile

    NotMe Guest

    "Danny Kile"
    | >
    | >> OK. Until you hear from Jeff,
    | >
    | > Jeff is out of it for a day or so. Kidney stone. Ouch.
    | >
    |
    | Hope you get to feeling better real soon.

    If Jeff is reading this ask your doc if DOXAZOSIN would be approprate for
    the your stone.
     
    NotMe, Jan 12, 2007
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  11. Danny Kile

    johnny Guest

    This newsgroup ought to be moderated so we don't have to be subjected to
    this OT **CRAP**.
     
    johnny, Jan 13, 2007
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  12. Danny Kile

    Tony Hwang Guest

    Hi,
    One of valuable contributor is sick and caring people showing concern.
    Even if it's OT, is it such a CRAP(in your book)? Name me a 100% OT free
    NG.
     
    Tony Hwang, Jan 13, 2007
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  13. Danny Kile

    NotMe Guest

    "johnny"

    | > | Hope you get to feeling better real soon.
    | >
    | > If Jeff is reading this ask your doc if DOXAZOSIN would be approprate
    for
    | > the your stone.
    |
    | This newsgroup ought to be moderated so we don't have to be subjected to
    | this OT **CRAP**.

    In the event you are ever in pain/need remind me to post to your
    alt.micor-give-a-sh|t newsgroup.
     
    NotMe, Jan 13, 2007
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  14. Danny Kile

    mr.b Guest

    here's how I self-moderate.

    *plonk* for egregious self-righteousness
     
    mr.b, Jan 13, 2007
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  15. Fine. You're hired. You get to spend your evenings reading the
    newsgroup, negotiating with clueless users, decoding email addresses,
    begging others to help you with the moderation duties, and deal with
    usenet ISP's that don't approve of your censorship policies. You also
    get to deal with any spam the leaks through. I've done this in the
    past and believe me, it's lots of work and huge time burn. Never
    again.
    <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/faqs/mod-pitfalls.html>
    If you need instructions on how to establish a moderated alt
    newsgroup, read about using the newsgroup command, and configurting
    the news server. Since your ISP is apparently Earthlink, I wish you
    lots of luck just finding someone that has even heard of usenet or
    moderation.

    Johnny, I'm working on a suitable expletive for the occassion. In the
    meantime, please choose from one of these:
    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_expletives>
    to describe approximately what I think of your one line brainless
    comment. However, I don't consider you to be hopeless. Kindly
    refrain from posting anything that you would not consider worth
    reading, and you'll be fine.

    For those that care... Three days of pure hell. I'm stable for now,
    but the rock hasn't passed. I'll shortly be putting myself into the
    hands of the medical profession which will surely perform the
    requisite blood letting of my bank account. I'm currently taking
    something similar to Doxazosin called Terazosin. I take it for
    enlarged prostate and high blood pressure. It will relieve the
    pressure on the sphincter muscle controlling the bladder, but that's
    not where the rock seems to be stuck. Enough OT medical (for now).
     
    Jeff Liebermann, Jan 14, 2007
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  16. Danny Kile

    Danny Kile Guest

    Jeff, I see here you are active in the group. Hope you are feeling
    better. Since you never responded to my original post due to being out
    of it I was wondering if when you get the time, you could give me your
    input on this matter?

    Thank you for your time in this matter.



    Danny Kile,
     
    Danny Kile, Jan 16, 2007
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  17. Yeah. Passed the rock last night. What a relief. Still a bit
    drugged which might explain some of my recent incoherent ramblings.
    Also managed to catch a cold or flu but that's a minor problem
    compared to a kidney stone.
    Sure and sorry, I forgot. In a few minutes...
     
    Jeff Liebermann, Jan 16, 2007
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  18. Danny Kile

    johnny Guest


    I didn't see the original post so I didn't know you were ill. From the
    threads that I did read it seemed, IMHO, like a lot of nonsense comments
    were being made. It was not my intent to show disrespect for someone that
    is/was ill. Please accept my apology.
     
    johnny, Jan 16, 2007
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  19. Danny Kile

    Danny Kile Guest

    Jeff, a reply from another message to keep this on the same topic.


    I guess what I am looking for would really apply to any setup not just
    RV'ing. I need to get access to a remote HotSpot location, that maybe
    out of reach for the laptop, to My RV put that could be to anywhere not
    just from an RV. Do I need Client, Client Bridge and a remotely located
    antenna. Maybe the first router out side in some enclosure then come out
    of its LAN port to another router which is in the RV providing access to
    two Laptops and a wireless printer. Would that second router be setup as
    an AP or as a Router?

    Thank you for any response to this.


    Danny Kile,
     
    Danny Kile, Jan 21, 2007
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  20. It's really a mechanical problem, not an electronic problem. Do you
    want the antenna/radio to be outstide? Is it permanently mounted on
    the roof? Do you plan to use it while moving? How big an antenna do
    you really need? Omni or directional? If omni, use a telescoping
    pole? What happens when other projecting junk on the roof get in the
    way of the line of sight? Lots of mechanical questions, none of which
    I can answer for you.
    Well, the system could be anything from a simple antenna connection
    with a power splitter for each computer, to an elaborate two radio
    client to access point system, with lots of configurations in between.
    Having to run two computers (simultaneously, wired or wireless?) adds
    considerable complexity. I'll try to cover a few but you need to
    roughly decide what you want. I'm going to assume that there is some
    type of external antenna on the roof and let you deal with the
    mechanical issues.

    1. Antenna extension and splitter. Install antenna on roof. Run
    heavy LMR-400 coax to power splitter. Run smaller LMR-240 coax
    between splitter and two computers. Attach to laptops with coax
    pigtails.
    <http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/signal_splitters_2400_2way.php>

    2. Rooftop client. Install antenna and client radio on roof. Client
    radio should have a "site survey" mode to facilitate finding the
    access point. Avoid those that require that you know the MAC address
    of the access point. PoE via CAT5 from the radio into the RV at an
    ethernet switch. Both radios plug in via CAT5 cable. See:
    <http://wireless.wikia.com/wiki/Wi-Fi#Wireless_Ethernet_Bridges>
    for a list of candidates. Make sure that it has a "client mode",
    "game adapter mode", or "wireless ethernet client bridge" mode. Not
    everything on the list will work.

    3. Rooftop repeater. Install antenna on roof. Repeater can be on
    roof or inside. Program repeater to point to access point. Connect
    to repeater via wireless from both computers. This sounds like it's
    the simplest, but also has the most problems. Repeaters chop the
    maximum bandwidth in half. They have compatibility issues and will
    not work with every access point. If your inside wireless radios can
    also see the access point, then there will be contention issues. Too
    many options on how to configure the outside/inside antennas to list.

    4. Rooftop client and inside access point. Rooftop client radio,
    CAT5 to an access point inside the RV. Both computers connect to
    access point via wireless. Must be on different channel than rooftop
    client radio and have different SSID. As you move to different access
    points, you'll probably find yourself constantly changing the channel
    of the AP in order to prevent interfering with the client radio. Kinda
    clumsy to use.

    There are lots of combinations, permutations, and mutations of these
    plans that can be implemented. If you're not sure which one is
    appropriate, then just drill two holes in the roof. One for LMR-240
    or a type-N connector RF feed through. The other for CAT5 for data,
    power, and control. Add a tapped mounting plate for whatever you
    suspect the antenna might need. Then, experiment with different
    antennas, mounts, and configurations. Start with something really
    simple, like an 8dBi omni antenna plugged into the N-connector. It
    may turn out that a simple external antenna and pigtail is all you
    need.
     
    Jeff Liebermann, Jan 21, 2007
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