Is there any other way to get a DIFFERENT IP address than publicvpn servers?

Discussion in 'Linux Networking' started by Joe Domack, Feb 16, 2015.

  1. Do you have an objection to using TOR?
     
    Stormin' Norman, Feb 16, 2015
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    Joe Domack Guest

    AFAIK, Tor is designed only for the http protocol.

    I tried, at times, to get TOR to work with other protocols, such as
    nntp, ftp, ptp, smtp, pop3, etc., but I never could figure out all
    the settings (socks5 stuff involved).

    If someone here has figured that out, that would work perfectly,
    but, it's complicated as hell, last I tried (and failed).
     
    Joe Domack, Feb 16, 2015
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    David Brown Guest

    Tor handles any port, and it's not difficult to use (though it's a long
    time ago since I tried it). But of course you might have trouble
    accessing some services using it - your ISP's SMTP server, for example,
    might only accept connections from your normal IP address.
     
    David Brown, Feb 16, 2015
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    Joe Domack Guest

    Your statement that Tor handles any port is probably true, but, I
    have tried to get Tor to work with NNTP and it's miserable and
    fraught with failure.

    If you find it easy to use for other ports, then you either have a
    wonderful DIY that I will ask you for, or, you're a far better
    informed person than anyone else on this ng because I doubt
    anyone on this entire ng has ever successfully set up Tor with nntp.

    If they have, then I will try right now, and I will ask real questions
    of them, because, in my humble experience, it will fail every time
    as there is no good setup DIY for Windows or Linux that I know of
    that actually works (last I tried, the socks5 stuff killed me).
    Trust me, I know all about the "trouble" changing an IP address
    causes Gmail, for example.

    Gmail in Thunderbird has a horrid time accepting *any* changes to
    the IP address. Constantly it locks me out, and asks for verification
    details. I have set Gmail to *not* ask for all those details, but, it
    still does, even without using Tor (but using a public VPN server).

    With Tor and using the horrid Gmail web interface, it's just worse,
    because Gmail doesn't like Tor nodes for the same reason it doesn't
    like public vpn servers, only far far worse.

    Many web sites will block Tor nodes automatically (as they also block
    public vpn server sites automatically).

    So, yes, I know all about trouble changing the IP address.
     
    Joe Domack, Feb 16, 2015
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    David Brown Guest

    First, it's a long time since I used TOR - and I didn't use it very
    much. Secondly, I can't think why it would be important to use it for
    NNTP. I can understand HTTP, DNS, Bittorrent, perhaps email, and
    several other services one might want to keep anonymous. But I don't
    get why you would want NNTP to be secret.

    What /is/ certain is that if you want to keep yourself and your accesses
    secret, drop Windows. Even with Linux, you should be a little careful
    about your choice of distro (avoid Ubuntu, for example). And you should
    probably then install VirtualBox (or KVM) and run your secret machine
    within the virtual machine, making sure that all traffic from the
    virtual machine is routed through the Tor interface on the host.
    What is the point in trying to access gmail - a service run by Google,
    who like to track everything - from a hidden IP? What are you actually
    trying to achieve here? At best, you might be able to hide your use of
    gmail from your ISP.

    If you were using some secure and anonymising email server for
    whistleblowing, I could understand you - but gmail?
     
    David Brown, Feb 16, 2015
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    richard Guest

    Why not ask the owner of the system if they can rotate ths ip's every few
    days?
     
    richard, Feb 16, 2015
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    Char Jackson Guest

    There was nothing obvious there, or at least nothing obvious that you
    thought was obvious.
    99% of the people who claim to have a static IP are wrong. What they really
    mean, even if they don't know it, is that they have a dynamically assigned
    IP that just happens to be silently renewed on a continuing basis. In those
    cases, they still have a dynamically assigned IP that just happens to not
    change very often, if ever. You might be in the 1% who actually have a
    static IP, but there was no reason for anyone to automatically accept that
    from your first sentence. That's why a little more detail about your WISP
    setup would have helped in the beginning.
    See above. The fact that it hasn't changed in 5 years is not an indicator of
    whether it's static or dynamic.
    You probably know yourself better than we do. I guess what you're saying is
    that you're usually wrong and that you tend to rely on others to correct
    you, which is fine. I'm actually happy when someone (accidentally?) gets it
    mostly right on their own. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.
    The thing to do now is to bask in the glory, then move on to the next
    challenge. Maybe you can string together a couple of wins. You know, maybe
    get a streak going. You never know.
     
    Char Jackson, Feb 16, 2015
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    Char Jackson Guest

    In every service area that I'm aware, (certainly not all of them), TWC gives
    out dynamic IP addresses. They use standard DHCP, so halfway through the
    lease period the lease is silently extended for another full period. If you
    want a new IP, simply change the MAC address on the WAN-facing device.
    Not surprising. Your DHCP lease expired, your IP address was tossed back
    into the available pool, and someone else took it. Turning your equipment
    off is the slow way to get a new IP. Changing your WAN MAC is the fast way.

    Note that this applies to the cable providers like Comcast and TWC. The OP's
    WISP is apparently not handing out dynamic IP's so it doesn't apply to him.
     
    Char Jackson, Feb 16, 2015
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    Joe Domack Guest

    Right.

    My rooftop radio, which has a setting for the IP address, does hand my
    home broadband router a static IP address which is one off from its own
    static IP address.

    The home broadband router, on the other hand, hands out (via WiFi and
    Ethernet cable) private addresses of the form (192.168.1.xxx), and these
    change at will.

    But, none of them will affect the static IP address of the radio itself,
    which has to be the one that my WISP assigned to me, or he'll get upset.

    I'm *sure* I can "steal" a static IP address assigned to one of my
    neighbors, or, even an unused one from my WISP's pool, but, again,
    this is a small operation with only about 100 customers in toto, so,
    he'd know what is going on in seconds (and I wouldn't do that anyway).

    So, I'm left with finding a clever way to change my IP address, given
    that it's static in the first place.

    Tor works only for the http protocol AFAIK. I saw that others said TOR
    works for NNTP but I have *never* been able to get that to work, despite
    having tried multiple times. The problem is detailed because the client
    nntp news reader has to interface to Tor which isn't a web client at
    this point.

    So, if anyone here actually has gotten Tor to work with NNTP, especially
    on Linux (where I am on most of the time), a step-by-step explanation
    of how to accomplish that would be immensely helpful and appreciated.
     
    Joe Domack, Feb 16, 2015
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    Joe Domack Guest

    I tried to explain things in the OP, but I can't change pre-conceived
    perceptions. So, I apologize for the initial confusion where good people
    thought that merely changing a MAC address or by powering things
    down for the duration of a lease period could possibly have any effect
    on a truly static IP address.

    Of course, I do know, as do you, that *most* people don't have a truly
    static IP address; so, I certainly understand the initial confusion,
    despite my attempt to allay it from the start.

    Luckily I didn't have to explain the difference between a public VPN
    service and a roll-your-own VPN server, which often is another pre-
    conceived notion that many people have the moment they hear the acronym
    "vpn" (since come can't conceive of a public vpn service being useful).
    I know. I know. If I hadn't set up my own rooftop radio, I would wonder
    myself if I just was "handed" the same IP address, year in and year out.

    So, I'm *not* decrying the confusion. I am just defending that I *tried*
    to allay the confusion; but, it naturally took a bit of explanation until
    you well meaning folks *believed* that I have a static IP address.

    Certainly the WISP "could" NAT the addresses on his side of the network;
    but he doesn't. He only has about 100 customers (probably less), so, this
    isn't anything like what you see with AT&T or Verizon or Time Warner or
    whomever most of you use.

    Remember, we have no cable whatsoever. No DSL is possible (we're tends of
    thousands of feet from the nearest station, I forget how many, but, when
    I call in for DSL, the sales people won't even sell it to me).
    I apologize for the confusion. The WISP itself doesn't really matter.
    It's the *choice* of the WISP that matters, which is that he bought a block
    of about 100 static IP addresses, and he assigns one to each.

    In fact, I once asked him why he doesn't just NAT all of us to one IP
    address, and he said, in very technical terms, something to the effect
    of his routers would have to handle the load instead of ours (he insists
    on EVERY person maintaining a home router as part of his deal with us),
    and, he said the DMM act drives him crazy when he has to figure out
    which IP address is downloading "50 Shades of Grey".

    It's much easier, for him, to have each of us on a static IP address,
    he said, as he's a one-man operation 24/7, and it's not easy being
    all those things at once.
    I actually get my best ideas from you folks. Or from the net itself.
    Problem is that this problem, of changing an IP address, if you google it,
    will drive you nuts with all the wrong answers, some of which were
    covered here.

    Even the "right" answers, center on rolling your own VPN solution, which
    works if you're at a coffee shop and you don't want the IP address of the
    coffee shop, but, which won't disassociate you from your home because
    that roll-your-own VPN server is likely *at* your home!

    Hey! That's an idea!

    Is there a roll-your-own VPN server capability where you "borrow" or
    lease a rotating set of servers stashed anywhere else but at your home?

    Does such a server-access service exist for low (very low) cost?
     
    Joe Domack, Feb 16, 2015
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    Joe Domack Guest

    That is a *perfectly valid* question, and one that I *have* explored.
    He is a small WISP. He has fewer than 100 customers, and, he explained to
    me once, a key reason for the static IP addresses is that it allows him
    two things.

    Mind you, by the way, he *loves* talking technical, so, he inundates me
    with jargon every time I talk to him (which is maybe once every six months
    when the wind blows down an antenna or something) - so this is only what
    I "got" out of his technical-nerd conversation.

    But, I remember three things distinctly:

    1. He said it doesn't cost all that much, and,
    2. He said it offloads his routers, which makes his network faster, and,
    3. He said the record companies drive him crazy with automated requests
    to tell people to stop downloading copyright-protected movies.

    He said, without a static IP address and a home router, it drives him
    nuts (he has zero support personnel) because he has to find who it is
    and then send them the nastigram or whatever it is that he sends them.

    BTW, the free public VPN server must get the same notice when folks use
    P2P. Has anyone ever experienced that? Do these free public VPN services
    actually bother to send the notice to the people using their service?

    All they know is your IP address (unless of course, they look into your
    email and other content).
     
    Joe Domack, Feb 16, 2015
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    richard Guest

    The only way they can legally enforce the copyright laws is by knwoing that
    IP's home address. They can only get that with a court order.And then, by
    law, only the true copyright holder can enforce the law. Not some
    organization like the RIAA.

    While the RIAA loves to clamp down, they should go after the websites that
    allow the downloads. On my music website I have the proper licenses to act
    as a broadcaster, but make it so the music can't be downloaded directly.
    Hell, I can find dozens of coprighted moveis and hundreds of tv shows on
    youtube without any problems.
     
    richard, Feb 17, 2015
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  13. Configure
    The Internet Router
    Not The Computer

    *change different ISPs address daily*
    Home Land be Looking at you
     
    BillyRay0808 USA VP 2016, Feb 17, 2015
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    Joe Domack Guest

    First question is what the heck is HOLA...

    So, reading that referenced wiki article ... I find ...huh ? wha...?

    HOLA seems to be a shared VPN where your computer is part of the VPN network?
    Hmmmmmmmmm... what does that mean? Reading on ...

    So, after reading about it, HOLA seems to be a shared-VPN where you, and
    ten thousand of your best friends, decide to share your IP addresses.

    So, I guess, if I participate, "my" IP address will be used, at times,
    while I'll be using any of my 10,000 best friends' IP addresses at times.

    Is that how it works?

    One problem, of course, is that it appears to only be for the HTTP protocol,
    so, if I understand it correctly, it's a substitute for TOR, but, not
    for VPN (which handles all ports).

    Do I have the gist of HOLA correct?bb
     
    Joe Domack, Feb 19, 2015
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    Tom Roche Guest

    Joe Domack Mon, 16 Feb 2015 21:42:32 +0000 (UTC) [1]
    Is 10 $/month low enough? If so,

    1. lease a 1GB linode[2]
    2. put an OpenVPN server on the linode
    3. put an OpenVPN client on any client devices

    You'll get a single linode, but you can periodically [stop using a particular linode, start using another], which *should*[3] get you a new IP#. Note that the overhead of setting up OpenVPN on a linode is pretty low both in effort (see my wiki[4] and associated code) and time, so whacking one linodeand setting up another seems fairly painless. FWIW,

    * I am just a linode user.
    * I have no other financial tie to linode.com
    * If anyone knows of similar, cheaper providers of Linux hosts, please lemme know.

    HTH, Tom Roche <>

    [1]: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.linux.networking/iBDEeeJJj5k/lioFM70JousJ
    [2]: https://www.linode.com/pricing
    [3]: I have not verified this claim, but my impression is, each linode getsits own IPv4 and IPv6 IP#.
    [4]: https://bitbucket.org/tlroche/linode_jumpbox_config/wiki/OpenVPN_install
     
    Tom Roche, Mar 10, 2015
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