I'm waiting for BT....

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Davey, Oct 15, 2015.

  1. Davey

    Davey Guest

    From a daily news feed:

    "October 15, 2009

    Finland becomes the first country in the world to declare Internet
    broadband access a legal right."

    Fibre reached here a few months ago.
     
    Davey, Oct 15, 2015
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  2. It ain't here yet either. Next proposed date is 31st March 2017 yes
    that's 2017 and BT's published availability date. I've been checking
    since it was 31st December 2012 and they just keep changing it. They
    last change it in mid-December 1014 when it had been 31st December 2014.
    This last jump of 15 months was the longest leap since 2012. It had
    always been 3 months or 6 months jumps in the past. Strangely there are
    properties about 200 metres away that have access to FTTC and have had
    for several years now, all from the same local exchange that I'm
    connected to. My ADSL isn't too bad I suppose at consistent measured
    download speeds of about 7.5 Mbps, so I suppose I don't have too much
    to complain about, but it does appear that the longer I survive the
    further away that FTTC availability date seems to get.
     
    Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°15 + on netbook, Oct 15, 2015
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  3. Davey

    MB Guest


    I was watching the Hairy Bikers visiting the Sami a couple of weeks ago.
    They were living somewhere they reached by helicopter with obviously
    no electricity, water or sanitation but interesting to see that they are
    guaranteed broadband access.
     
    MB, Oct 15, 2015
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  4. Davey

    NY Guest

    Sounds unlikely that such a place would ever get broadband at a *sensible*
    price. Anywhere can get satellite broadband if you are prepared to pay
    through the nose, though you would need some form of electricity (even if
    it's your own generator) to power the PC and the satellite
    transmitter/receiver.


    But the problem with the situation in the UK is that there are plenty of
    places, just a bit too far from the nearest exchange (or with crap cable
    that BT won't fix) and which are too far from any mobile transmitter - and
    yet which are no more than five miles in one direction or the other of a
    town with a population of maybe 5000 people.

    People who live in sparsely-populated areas like the highlands of Scotland,
    where there are many miles between one centre of population or another, or
    those in remote parts of the Yorkshire Dales, are fair enough - bloody
    annoying for them, but you can understand it.

    But when you live in an area where there are villages every few miles in
    every direction, and several fair sized towns, it's harder for BT Openreach
    to play the "not economically viable" card, or for mobile companies to say
    that it is not cost effective for them to provide good mobile reception - an
    in the latter case, I'm talking about even for mobile phone calls and texts,
    never mind a reasonable (maybe 2 Mbit/sec) data connection.

    Mobile reception is really appalling: you'd expect that along major roads
    (M!, A1) and major railway lines there should be reasonably seamless
    coverage for simple web browsing and phone calls, without frequent dropouts.

    Where I live, you can forget 4G. Even 3G is only available reasonably
    reliably in major towns and cities. There are plenty of dead zones where you
    can't get any form of phone/data connection over mobile.

    I really wish that the government would exert more pressure on mobile
    companies to devote much more money bringing everywhere up to a reasonable
    data speed (I don't want fibre speeds and I'll even settle for less than I
    get on my home ADSL) instead of upgrading large centres of population to 4G
    while leaving smaller towns and villages with a crap signal.
     
    NY, Oct 15, 2015
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  5. I've just been watching last night's Grand Designs about a couple who
    met on the internet, and in order to build their house themselves
    researched everything on the internet, making a point of how valuable
    it was to be able to do this. One of them planned to run a business
    from the house, presumably using the internet because everything does
    these days. The internet appeared to be important to them.

    But the house they built was in the middle of the country, and no
    mention was made of whether they'd even have internet at all.

    Rod.
     
    Roderick Stewart, Oct 15, 2015
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  6. I can't even find a date any more (do you have a link?). And there's a
    shiny new FTTC cabinet just up the road. Rumour has it they aren't going
    to bother to turn it on, because not enough people would get the 22Mb
    that would earn them the subsidy payments.

    Andy
     
    Vir Campestris, Oct 15, 2015
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  7. I use
    https://www.dslchecker.bt.com/adsl/ADSLChecker.TelephoneNumberOutput it
    works for me.
     
    Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°15 + on netbook, Oct 15, 2015
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  8. Davey

    Davey Guest

    Davey, Oct 15, 2015
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  9. Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°15 + on netbook, Oct 15, 2015
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  10. Davey

    Davey Guest

    It give my are as Accepting Orders, which is correct. At the bottom of
    the page, there is a link to a list of all exchanges and their rollout
    information. Try that.
     
    Davey, Oct 16, 2015
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  11. The list tells me that my exchange is FTTC/P and FOD but when I just
    type in my 'phone number I get 'Stutus Under Review', which is what
    it's been since early in 2012 to my knowledge. However type in the
    'phone number of my paper shop which is less than 100 m away as the crow
    flies and is connected to the same local exchange it tells me FTTC is
    available, which it has been for several years now. However they are
    on cabinet 65 and I'm on cabinet 1. :(
     
    Flyiñg Ñuñ 2°15 + on desktop, Oct 16, 2015
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  12. Davey

    Martin Brown Guest

    Odd they lacked electricity but still had broadband. Lacking mains gas
    (common) and sewerage (less common) occurs in the UK too.
    People are often surprised how poor internet coverage is outside major
    towns and cities and in some cases a donut ring around such places.
    It is hard these days to find anywhere that you get no internet or
    mobile network coverage at all - though you may struggle to get above
    1Mbps without having serious technical expertise and/or multiple lines.
     
    Martin Brown, Oct 16, 2015
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  13. Davey

    Roland Perry Guest

    In message <>, at 20:20:23 on
    You can get a surprising improvement if you buy a 3G dongle with an
    aerial socket, and then attach a high-up directional aerial to it. Plug
    the dongle into a router, obviously, for forwarding the connectivity
    around the house.
     
    Roland Perry, Oct 16, 2015
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  14. Davey

    Roland Perry Guest

    Earlier this week I was somewhat miffed to discover that my Smartphone
    "satnav" using Google Maps threw in the towel because I was in Mid
    Wales, where apparently Vodafone don't expect subscribers to expect
    coverage.

    [I wonder what happens if you want an Uber taxi in a place like that?]
     
    Roland Perry, Oct 16, 2015
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  15. Davey

    Martin Brown Guest

    You don't! One advantage of real GPS navigation systems is that they
    don't need network access to do basic route and tracking.

    My wife's phone is on Three and mine on EE to cater for rural coverage
    problems. It is rare that both are out of range simultaneously.

    I now have a directional aerial and passive phone coupler setup (not
    recommended) that will get me another +5dB signal at a pinch. It works
    better when plugged directly into a SL9 or CRC9 socket on a Mifi.
     
    Martin Brown, Oct 16, 2015
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  16. You will get even better results if you buy a USB extension cable and mount the dongle with its aerial plugged in directly...

    Aerial lead
    losses here
    box-dongle-------------coax-------------------------aerial

    USB Lead
    digital - so no losses here
    box============USB cable=====================dongle-aerial
     
    R. Mark Clayton, Oct 16, 2015
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  17. For Google Maps you need an internet connection. For Nokia phones the mapsAND navigation work offline - so OK for hiking (take a spare battery though!)
    Not sure, my phone will eventually make contact using Edge or GPRS on 2G, which will probably be enough bandwidth to order a cab, but won't support their app' . I tend to use local firms, as from what I have seen Uber (like black cabs) charges in waiting and they don't.

     
    R. Mark Clayton, Oct 16, 2015
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  18. Davey

    Mark Carver Guest

    Try maps.me better (overall) than Google maps, and totally 'off line'
    +1 Exactly the same with myself and SWIMBO,
     
    Mark Carver, Oct 16, 2015
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  19. Davey

    Roland Perry Guest

    In message <>, at
    Indeed. I should have mentioned that it's a good idea to have the router
    [indoors] within the typical 1 metre length of the cable from the
    aerial.
     
    Roland Perry, Oct 16, 2015
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  20. Davey

    MB Guest

    Years ago I used to amused by the people who moved to picturesque rural
    locations 'to get away from it all' then complained because they could
    not get good TV reception so wanted other TV Licence payers to pay for a
    relay station near there home.

    We now have people moving to picturesque rural locations 'to get away
    from it all' and complaining that there mobile phone / broadband is poor
    so want other mobile phone and broadband users to subsidise improvements
    in their area.

    I had a friend who had a home that was a few miles from a main road with
    no water, electricity, TV. When he retired he carefully checked that
    his new home would have all the essential services before buying it, he
    did not move somewhere and then expect everyone else to subsidise him
    getting those services.
     
    MB, Oct 16, 2015
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