How to offer broadband without phone call charges?

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Anthony R. Gold, Aug 18, 2009.

  1. I'd like to offer to some young college boys who are sharing their first
    flat a DSL Internet connection but without exposing myself to vast phone
    call charges. The boys all have their own mobile phones and they say they
    don't need any wire line phone service.

    What phone service or tariff is available that will provide the needed
    copper circuit for DSL but without unlimited exposure to calling charges?

    Anthony R. Gold, Aug 18, 2009
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    Steve Terry Guest

    If you have good Three mobile phone coverage, why not go for a Three
    payg dongle with a wifi router?
    Avoid DSL and the responsibility of a copper wire altogether.

    Steve Terry
    Steve Terry, Aug 18, 2009
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  3. Thanks but four college lads may consume more data than 3's top tier.

    I am hoping to provide one of the "unlimited" offers such as O2 or Be etc
    or maybe even Sky BB bundled with a Sky+ subscription, which happens to be
    what we had provided to one of those four while he was at our home. So I
    am hoping there is some way to get a copper pair with limited liability.

    BTW how does one connect a USB dongle to the WAN port of a router anyway?

    Anthony R. Gold, Aug 18, 2009
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    Graham J Guest

    Andrews & Arnold will supply a phone line for "ADSL only" purposes. See:

    To quote: "The line itself is installed by Openreach just like a BT line, on
    our behalf. You cannot make any chargable calls, but can call emergency
    services and freephone numbers from it as well as accepting calls. We supply
    the line primarily for use with the broadband service and do not provide
    lines without our broadband service associated with them."
    Graham J, Aug 18, 2009
  5. Excellent. Many thanks, I will ask BT about the availability of this.
    Thank you.

    Anthony R. Gold, Aug 18, 2009
  6. I've been an A&A subscriber since 1993 and they are not now competitive for
    retail consumers needing significant daytime usage and who are happy with
    NAT and a single IP address.

    Anthony R. Gold, Aug 18, 2009
  7. Put the master socket inside a lockable metal box and run the ADSL cable
    out of the box.

    Wouldn't stop them splicing into the cable upstram of it though, but...
    Outgoing call barring would seem to be the way to go, but it's costs
    an extra £2.50 a month and doesn't block international calls made via
    an operator!

    Gordon Henderson, Aug 18, 2009
  8. Does it need to be DSL? Virgin cable will do 10Mbit broadband-only for 20
    quid/month, or less if you take one of their persistent 'introductory'
    offers. Or get free TV thrown in too (though I suppose they could rack up
    charges on pay-per-view, probably you can disable that).

    Theo Markettos, Aug 18, 2009
  9. Thanks for the suggestion.

    So long as they don't demand Sky satellite TV, which has the requirement to
    provide a working phone line - at least during installation - that may be
    another excellent solution.

    Anthony R. Gold, Aug 18, 2009
  10. (none of this). I've lost the first post in this thread...

    If you're not sure that you can trust them (or their friends) not to misuse
    a phone line, how can you be sure they're not going to misuse an internet
    connection which will be (I presume) in your name?
    Jeremy Nicoll - news posts, Aug 18, 2009
  11. Thanks, but I see no mention of that option in Sky TV's Ts&Cs at the foot
    of, it baldly "Sky box(es) must be connected
    to a fixed telephone line for 12 months". Do you have a pointer to such an
    offer that I could mention when trying to place an order?

    Anthony R. Gold, Aug 18, 2009
  12. AFAIK they can misuse the service and equipment in any way they choose to
    invent without incurring any financial liability to me. If the service is
    cancelled for abuse or AUP reasons then that is actually a savings for me.

    Anthony R. Gold, Aug 18, 2009
  13. We simply connected the router and no phone. In 3 of the four shared
    houses, the residents respected that & used their mobiles. In the fourth
    house this year one has been a problem, (in more ways than this),
    connected a handset and ran up bills. That has been a learning
    experience for the others in house in choosing people to live with.

    postmaster @ stejonda, Aug 18, 2009
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    LP Guest is that way ----->
    LP, Aug 18, 2009
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    Steve Terry Guest

    Quite possibly, but if you have allocated a ten quid PAYG top up
    to two months of 3 PAYG internet (at 5quid p.m.)
    there won't be any credit left for 3 to eat up outside inclusive 2gb p/m d/l

    If / when that happens, slot in another 3 PAYG sim doing the same.
    and swap back the following month

    Steve Terry
    Steve Terry, Aug 19, 2009
  16. If the master socket is in a lockable metal box, an Orchid dialler can
    easily be programmed to block all outgoing except 999. I use one to
    block international, premium and calls to operator. Works OK with
    brightside S9, Aug 19, 2009
  17. I nice lady at BT assured me that taking that option will not permit DSL
    and so I would need to achieve it with Calling Features and *34(...).

    Was she wrong?

    Anyway, since barring via Calling Feature will allow 0800 calls, that would
    still be compatible with a Sky STB, so that may be the best course anyway.

    Anthony R. Gold, Aug 19, 2009
  18. I plan to be 4,000 miles away and unavailable to run this SIM disco.

    Anthony R. Gold, Aug 19, 2009
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    Mark Carver Guest

    I've helped my lad and his fives mates with a set up.

    BT line (in my name) with call barring at a total cost of 15 Quid/month,

    The barring is controlled by a PIN that only I know. All 'self dialled'
    calls except 0800 etc and 150/151 are barred. As far as reverse charge
    calling goes, they don't actually know what the phone number is, and I'm
    not sure they could easily find out ? Not that I've seen anybody under
    the age of 25 ever use a landline phone :) There's no landline phone on
    the premises, though of course there's nothing to stop them plugging one
    in !

    ADSL service is O2 LLU unlimited linked to an O2 phone account, so it's

    Total cost is therefore just under 25 Quid/m, split between 6 of them,
    so less than a fiver each per month. Downstream sync is about 12 Mb/s
    and upstream 1.2 Mb/s. Works very well.

    I run risks with it obviously, which have all been noted in this thread
    but there you go. I keep an eye on the BT line bit via the 'unbilled'
    section of the on-line account portal.

    Ideal solution would have been Vigin Media, but their street is not
    Mark Carver, Aug 19, 2009
  20. Wonder if you could do that with a mobile locked in a (non-metallic ;-) box,
    with some kind of Bluetooth speakerphone on the front which is only set up
    to call 999. That means there's no line rental. Once SIMless emergency
    calls are enabled, there would be no need to keep making chargeable calls to
    keep it alive. Phone battery would mean it'd work when the power was down.

    Though I suppose a box labelled 'emergency calls only' on the front would
    tempt people to test it...

    Theo Markettos, Aug 19, 2009
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