Hiding the real ip address

Discussion in 'Linux Networking' started by beatnik, Aug 14, 2004.

  1. beatnik

    beatnik Guest

    Is there a way to hide my real ip address and instead to put any fake/funny
    hostname/ip address i want, so whenever i connect to a remote connected
    host for (web/mail/irc/news) the host will get the fake one?

    Can i do it from my own linux box and not behind proxy servers?

    If so, How?
     
    beatnik, Aug 14, 2004
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  2. beatnik

    Alex Harsch Guest

    Hello,

    you can do funny stuff like that with ettercap. But of course, this will
    only work in a LAN.

    Alex
     
    Alex Harsch, Aug 14, 2004
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  3. No.

    If you could change your public IP address, then how would packets find
    their way back to you ?
     
    Jeroen Geilman, Aug 14, 2004
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  4. Maybe. It's called ip spoofing. But then, you won't get back any reply to
    your requests either.
    .....
    from your headers:

    NNTP-Posting-Host:
    millennium-ppp35.ccf.auth.gr
    X-Trace:
    nic.grnet.gr 1092484056 10247 155.207.209.162 (14 Aug 2004 11:47:36 GMT)
    X-Complaints-To:

    NNTP-Posting-Date:
    Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:47:36 +0000 (UTC)
    User-Agent:
    Xnews/5.04.25

    Since the x-trace comes from your newsserver, there you are.
     
    Walter Mautner, Aug 14, 2004
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  5. beatnik

    beatnik Guest

    What are you talking about? My ip address is there for eveyone to see.

    ps. Anyway to hide it?
     
    beatnik, Aug 14, 2004
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  6. You can change the part that people see, because its not really used. But
    you can NOT change the part that is usually in hidden headers because
    that is the routing instructions. If you change that, then your
    connection will not work.

    On TV and in Movies they show police trying to trace phone calls. The
    best that a person can do is bounce their call off of many different
    numbers so that tracing them takes too much time and trouble to be worth
    it. That is very much like the answer to your IP question. To make a
    connection you must come from somewhere. You can lie to the equipment and
    say you came form somewhere else but if you do then your connection will
    not work so there is no reason to do it. The best you can do is just like
    on TV when they are trying not to have their phone call traced.

    Gandalf Parker
     
    Gandalf Parker, Aug 14, 2004
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  7. Op Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:47:36 +0000 (UTC) schreef beatnik:
    This is beginning to smell like a hackers thread. There are (perhaps)
    other, darker, places on the web or usenet to do so. People with good
    intentions have no reason to hide their tracks.

    Please take this discussion elsewhere.
     
    Gerard Wassink, Aug 14, 2004
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  8. beatnik

    beatnik Guest

    So whats your suggestion on this? Use proxy servers?
     
    beatnik, Aug 14, 2004
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  9. beatnik

    beatnik Guest

    Anonymity & Privacy is one of them. I'am not a bad person myself.
     
    beatnik, Aug 14, 2004
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  10. There are many ways to bounce an IP. Proxy, VPN, shell accounts, interface
    servers such as mail2news gateways. None are absolutely safe and anonymous.
    The best you can do is to chain different methods of bouncing and going
    thru different countries.

    Doing that makes it difficult to get information on who you are. Of course,
    thats a real pain to do alot of chained connections. So the amount of
    anonymous you are willing to do has to be compared to the amount of
    anonymous you have to be. You can always be traced. You want to make the
    trace more work than you are worth. If you just want privacy then you
    probably do not need to do too much. If you are hiding from the mafia or
    some other scarey organization then you will need more. If you are hiding
    from a countries law enforcement then you would have to do many. If you are
    hiding from international law enforcement... well being on their side I
    have to feel optimistic that would not be possible for too many people for
    too long.

    Gandalf Parker
     
    Gandalf Parker, Aug 14, 2004
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  11. beatnik

    beatnik Guest

    That what Leisure Lamey does?
     
    beatnik, Aug 14, 2004
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  12. beatnik

    beatnik Guest

    I kust want to post mail we and irc spoofed. Why can i do that?
     
    beatnik, Aug 14, 2004
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  13. beatnik wrote:

    .....
    Well, that's what I was talking about. You may spoof your IP trying to post
    a message - but the protocol involves two-way communication and then you
    are lost in the water.
     
    Walter Mautner, Aug 14, 2004
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  14. If you have a decent firewall and are not trying to do something nasty,
    there is no valid reason to hide your IP. What is your real reason?
     
    David Efflandt, Aug 14, 2004
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  15. beatnik

    Bill Unruh Guest

    (David Efflandt) writes:

    ]> ]>
    ]>> Op Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:47:36 +0000 (UTC) schreef beatnik:
    ]>>
    ]>>> Is there a way to hide my real ip address and instead to put any
    ]>>> fake/funny hostname/ip address i want, so whenever i connect to a
    ]>>> remote connected host for (web/mail/irc/news) the host will get the
    ]>>> fake one?

    No. The only way the remote machine has of sending you anything is via
    your IP address. No address, no communication.
    "Is there someway I can write to a company and buy some material and not
    tell them my address-- give them a fake address?"
     
    Bill Unruh, Aug 14, 2004
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  16. Probably not. But all LL needs is privacy. All you can do against him is
    show that he violated the rules for whoever he posts thru, and get his
    account there blocked or deleted. Do that enough times and it will be hard
    for him to get on.

    If he commits a crime, then the sites he uses will not protect him from a
    legal request for logs.

    Gandalf Parker
     
    Gandalf Parker, Aug 14, 2004
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  17. beatnik

    Node_Runner Guest

    One very simple method of achieving the same result as you require
    would be to just NOT connect to the web and turn OFF your PC.
    This will result in a two fold affect.

    1. TOTAL anonymity
    2. We are all happy {:>')
     
    Node_Runner, Aug 14, 2004
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  18. beatnik

    jack Guest

    Hi there, Bill, and Dave also,

    I am short of time - as You may have noticed -, so excuse me for butting
    in here like so:

    Bill, with a decent proxy that allows You through, You'd achieve exactly
    the moment that was asked for.

    And, David, there are reasons when one wants to disguise his/her own IP.
    Even most and best legally.

    Sorry, I haven't read enough of this thread to really be of help, but
    anyways, best regards...


    Cheers, Jack.
     
    jack, Aug 15, 2004
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  19. beatnik

    beatnik Guest

    1. True.

    2. Some will be depresses if i do and hence i cant make them fell sad.
     
    beatnik, Aug 15, 2004
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  20. beatnik

    beatnik Guest

    Well i i send info form me.somewhere.gr (a spoofed host) then cant the
    info travle back to the same fake ip address?
     
    beatnik, Aug 15, 2004
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