HH to ADSL advice sought

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by andrew dunlop, Oct 7, 2003.

  1. I have the following setup:

    Downstairs Main master socket > bedroom 1 HH box linked to server in bedroom
    2 by cat 5 under the floor.

    My exchange is going live on the 8th and Pipex are arranging the conversion
    from HH to ADSL.

    I understand that the HH box will be removed as part of the conversion but
    will a replacement socket be fitted instead? or do I have to arrange my own
    ext. from the master socket downstairs?

    On Saturday I purchased a modem router, can I use an inline connector to
    connect rj45 to rj11?

    Guidance appreciated.
    andrew dunlop, Oct 7, 2003
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  2. andrew dunlop

    Lighterboy Guest

    I understand that the HH box will be removed as part of the conversion but
    Yes, your old HH line will be converted to an analog line and an analog BT
    master socket will be installed
    Yes you can - RJ11 is simply a smaller plug size than RJ45; both fit into
    inline connectors.

    Best regards
    Lighterboy, Oct 7, 2003
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  3. I beleive not as standard. The master socket (downstairs) will be
    replaced with a standard one and the HH box removed. You may be able
    to get the BT technician to put a socket in place of the HH box or at
    least leave the wire in place and connect it appropriately as an
    extension to the master.

    You might want to buy a socket for them to install, or they may be
    kind and give you one.

    Phil Thompson, Oct 8, 2003
  4. No - they should fit the master socket at the HH box location, as by fitting
    the HH box in that location, they will have extended the cable from the
    original master socket location themselves.

    The trick is to be nice to the man from BT - offer him tea and a biscuit
    when he arrives and politely ask him to confirm
    that he will put the master in the location you want. If for some strange
    reason he says no, politely point out that you paid BT to put the HH box in
    that location so its what you would expect.

    Most BT installers are reasonable chaps - they'll play ball if you're polite
    and don't give them hassle ! (and you feed them tea and biccies)
    Graham in Melton, Oct 8, 2003
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    MrSax Guest

    Had my HH converted to ADSL last month, and the BT engineer replaced
    the HH box with a socket without me saying anything.

    MrSax, Oct 8, 2003
  6. but the cable from the master socket to the HH box loops back the
    signal, so if you remove the box and the cable then replace the master
    socket faceplate you are back to where you started. Putting the box in
    a different spot doesn't affect the location of the master socket.

    Are you saying they will put a second socket in place of the Highway
    box ?

    Phil Thompson, Oct 8, 2003
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    Nick Guest

    Nope, should be a faceplate change only.
    He can ask, but the cat5 cable is part of the highway (& in theory should be
    recovered, but we don't)
    Works for me, everytime (cake even better) ;)
    Nick, Oct 8, 2003
  8. What faceplate are you talking about - the HH box doesn¹t have a faceplate
    or use one - its hard wired in ? Done it twice and both times they put a
    master in without asking ....
    Graham in Melton, Oct 8, 2003
  9. Thanks for the replies so far, it seems that a lot depends on how happy the
    BT engineer is when he arrives. There's more to this than meets the eye for
    a newbie to ADSL anyway!

    Does the following sound reasonable (and correct!)

    Downstairs master socket (presumably BT will fit a ADSL(splitter/filter)
    faceplate with RJ111 & BT phone socket(connected to sky box & main DECT
    phone), a normal ext in place of the HH box upstairs into which will plug a
    splitter/filter (or both?) into which sky(BT phone socket) & adsl via 2 an
    inline adapter connecting rj111 to rj45 and then rj45 to rj111 at the other
    end into the adsl router.

    I hope this works and that BT don't make me wait a couple of weeks before
    comming out, after all I feel as if I have waited long enough for broadband
    as it is.

    Cheers guys.

    andrew dunlop, Oct 8, 2003
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    dr.black Guest

    The trick is to be nice to the man from BT - offer him tea and a

    Andy, Just ask the engineer if he can leave the cat5(ish) cable insitu, you
    can then use this as extension wiring back to where the hh box was, I take
    it you are having a conversion to have a wires only/self installed version
    of adsl...In this case he will fit a normal faceplate on the main socket,
    one that can be undone...the faceplate you describe is where they fit the
    equipment as well....Like everyone says if your nice and hes willing it will
    not take long to fit an extension socket to the cable...then all you need is
    a filter where ever you have equipment and bob's your uncle, one point most
    modem/routers take an rj11 cable from the filter to the modem unless yours
    happens to be different. HTH
    dr.black, Oct 9, 2003
  11. the standard highway install replaces the normal master faceplate with
    a "digital access" one that provides the connections to and from the
    highway box.
    its probably less messy that way - rather than pulling out the wiring.
    Is it really a master though ? the one feeding it in the first place
    would have been the master.

    Phil Thompson, Oct 9, 2003
  12. 1. I doubt they will fit the splitter faceplate unless you are lucky.
    2. If you do use a splitter faceplate on the master then the ADSL
    signal stops there so you couldn't plug your adsl modem in upstairs
    3. the adsl sockets on splitter faceplates are RJ45, the RJ11 plug
    fits into the middle of the RJ45 socket without an andapter.

    if you want the adsl upstairs you can either use microfilters on each
    phone / sky box (the modem doesn't need one) or use a clarity.it or
    solwise.co.uk splitter socket and wire the adsl extension separately
    to the voice extension.

    Phil Thompson, Oct 9, 2003
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    Chris Watts Guest

    I had a similar conversion done. The master box was in the hallway and the
    HH box in the living room next to the computer. The BT Engineer simply
    removed the HH box and modified the wiring so that there was now a master
    socket in the hallway and an extension in the living room (the latter with a
    dual phone-style - ie. NOT incl. filter - face plate at my request -
    biccies and tea provided!). Now
    I can leave the computer where it was or put it in the hallway (which I
    don't want to do) - microfilters are, of course, needed wherever anything is
    plugged in.

    BT's policy is to leave all existing extensions in place and leave them all
    working - and that includes one at the location of the old HH box.

    So, don't panic just stock up on biccies! ;-)

    Chris Watts, Oct 9, 2003
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    Nick Guest

    The faceplate on the NTE5 master socket.
    Nick, Oct 9, 2003
  15. andrew dunlop

    Nick Guest

    Just a standard master socket faceplate. We're not allowed to fit filter
    units on the master socket on conversions, unless it's a full engineer
    install (things came come back to haunt us if the job is audited).
    Nick, Oct 9, 2003
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