Give Blair a bloody Nose they say !

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    none Guest

    The best outcome? A bloody nose for Tony Blair


    What we think


    This general election presents a serious moral dilemma for those of us
    who have been implacably opposed to Tony Blair's decision to support
    President George Bush's invasion of Iraq. This election asks a key
    question: is that invasion - and the distortion of the facts used to
    justify that course of action - so significant and so abhorrent as to
    overshadow every other issue and be the deciding factor in the way we
    cast our votes?

    It is an awkward dilemma for a newspaper such as the Sunday Herald,
    which finds itself in agreement with many of Labour's policies while
    remaining fundamentally out of sympathy with the present party leader.
    We approve of the Chancellor's management of the economy: through tax
    credits and the national minimum wage Labour has made considerable
    progress in reducing poverty. From the moves towards the cancellation
    of Third World debt to the introduction of civil partnerships, Labour
    has governed with some wisdom and evident justice. We believe that
    Britain, after eight years of Labour government, is not only a more
    prosperous country, but also in many respects a more tolerant one. The
    creation of the Scottish parliament and a Welsh Assembly will stand as
    monuments to this government's willingness to embark on real
    democratic reform.

    Yet the Iraq war has revealed serious, fundamental failings in our
    system of government. Cabinet has become supine and easily dominated by
    the Prime Minister. Tony Blair's ''sofa'' style of
    government, where he consults with a handful of courtiers rather than
    his ministers, has destroyed some of the essential checks and balances
    needed to curb excessive executive power. Through his use of patronage,
    the Prime Minister has created a ministerial team composed largely of
    yes men and political clones - with perhaps the exception of
    Chancellor Gordon Brown.

    Further, our electoral system has handed Tony Blair an artificially
    inflated majority in the House of Commons. The number of Labour MPs is
    out of all proportion to Labour's share of the vote at the last
    general election. This has allowed the Prime Minister to get his way
    far too easily in parliament. Under almost any system of proportional
    voting - such as the one which exists for the Scottish parliamentary
    elections - Tony Blair would not have been able to win so
    convincingly that crucial vote on March 18, 2003, which allowed him to
    go to war.

    Last week the campaign was electrified by the revelation of the
    attorney general's first advice about the legality of taking military
    action against Iraq. As many people suspected - and as this newspaper
    has consistently sought to prove - that initial advice was very far
    from an unequivocal legal green light for the war. The document of
    March 7, 2003, is in fact strewn with doubts about the legality of
    military action outside the authority of the United Nations Security
    Council. There is little doubt that if the Cabinet had seen this
    document in full, Tony Blair would have been hard pushed to receive
    their complete backing for the war.

    Not since the Suez crisis of 1956 - when the international furore
    forced Prime Minister Anthony Eden to stand down - has a party
    leader's integrity and trustworthiness featured as such a key issue
    in an election. Tony Blair has undoubtedly played fast and loose with
    the truth. When first elected in May 1997 he promised to be whiter than
    white and to bring honesty and integrity back to government. Instead we
    have had eight years of spin and distortion. Indeed, on his first day
    in office Tony Blair said: "We are not the masters now." But that
    promise to govern "for the people" has turned into governance by
    personal fiat.

    This newspaper remains appalled by Blair's uncritical alignment with
    George Bush's neo-conservative Republican administration in America.
    We are profoundly concerned too about the drift of Labour policy on
    criminal justice - the curbing of habeus corpus, detention and house
    arrest without trial and the imposition of compulsory identity cards.
    We fear that this Prime Minister, were he to be returned with a third
    successive massive majority, would - in England at least - see
    victory as the political justification for measures which we see as
    threatening to our basic civil rights as citizens. It may begin with
    curbs on jury trials, the imposition of arbitrary minimum sentences and
    the hint of intimidation towards legitimate asylum seekers. The
    question is where does it end? We believe it should end with an
    unequivocal and clear message from the British electorate that says any
    prime minister who does not tell the truth - and who shows contempt
    for even law lords who question his judgement - should not be given
    further opportunity to mislead. We believe it should end with a prime
    minister who takes his country to war illegally not being given the
    chance to unilaterally deface democracy and international law a further
    time. A third Blair term holds the fear that on its first day, on May
    6, we will have retained the services of a prime minister whose
    integrity and trust we already question.

    The question is: what can we do about it? It is up to all of us in this
    election to use our votes in a way which will ensure this country is
    never again bounced into a war without parliament and the people being
    in possession of the facts, the full legal advice, and the intelligence
    assessment that can offer a verifiable choice between conflict or
    peace. The best way to prevent a prime minister being able to
    steamroller dissent - as Blair did with his 161 overall majority -
    is to deprive the executive of an over-powerful reign. Numerical
    supremacy, as Labour's second term showed, can turn a parliamentary
    democracy into blinkered, elected dictatorship.

    Scotland has a long tradition of tactical voting. So we urge our
    readers today to examine the record of candidates in their constituency
    and to consider who is best suited to send a powerful message to Tony
    Blair; a message that we will not tolerate another four years of such
    behaviour. In some areas this might mean voting Liberal Democrat, in
    some areas SNP. In others still it means voting for Labour MPs whose
    record on the war has been one of genuine moral independence.

    The Tories' stance on the war in Iraq has hardly been more laudable
    than the government's. They supported Tony Blair's decision to send
    in British troops, albeit on the basis of intelligence information
    which has since been found to be wrong. Last week Michael Howard
    revealed that even if he had known the true nature of the Attorney
    General's initial reservations about the legality of the war, he
    would still have supported invading Iraq. That indicates a severe lack
    of political judgement and leaves Howard in no position to criticise
    Blair. It also leaves us in no doubt that he is without the necessary
    qualities any decent prime minister should possess.

    We urge our readers to therefore make sure their vote on Thursday is a
    vote for a return to democratic principles that sadly have been absent
    throughout much of Tony Blair's second term. A close call will
    persuade many in his party that he is a prime minister without trust
    and without the necessary desire to apologise - and one that should
    be encouraged to stand down sooner, rather than later, during the next
    parliament. That would be the new democratic beginning Britain now
    deserves, and urgently needs.

    01 May 2005
     
    none, May 1, 2005
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    Gel Guest

    In a weeks time we will see what UK electorate has decided!
    I fear a continuation of the currently flawed regime.
    Gawd help us, but we may be pleasantly surprised.
    However, those employed in the public sector [with their 60 retirement
    age] and inflation linked pension package, will not support the
    Conservatives.

    Nor will the millions? on benefits; remember Hattonville ie Liverpool
    some years back where I recall some 3/4 of residents did not pay full
    ,or any rates, and clearly those voters wanted the status quo to
    continue, & were most vocal against poll tax.
     
    Gel, May 1, 2005
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    deadmail Guest

    Nor will many of those who remember what the Conservatives did in the
    1980s and 1990s. It's not that some of the things didn't need doing but
    the inhumane and uncaring way in which they were done.

    Labour are probably even now a lot less corrupt than the last two
    Conservative governments were.
     
    deadmail, May 1, 2005
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  4. What I think is that you are not likely to get anyone to move towards
    your viewpoint by posting this irrelevant trash in culture, broadband
    and mobile phone newsgroups.

    Anyone who is interested in discussion politics on usenet can choose
    to do so by joining the relevant groups. Not the ones you have posted
    to.
     
    mobileshoporg, May 1, 2005
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    Alan Guest

    Luckily you're a minority of whingers and toss[pots. Tone gets my
    vote.
     
    Alan, May 1, 2005
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    Beck Guest

    Me too. :)
     
    Beck, May 1, 2005
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  7. Your Bush in disguise!, I claim my 5 pounds.
     
    Oliver Gunnell, May 1, 2005
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    JA Guest

    Whose Bush? Witch guys?
     
    JA, May 1, 2005
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    Java Jive Guest

    As a former British Gas customer sold off to OneTel, I've also threatened to
    withdraw my custom if these posts don't stop. I would urge other OneTel
    customers to threaten likewise.

    Also notified PM's Office via his website.
     
    Java Jive, May 1, 2005
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    Kev Guest

    Every time Tony Blair comes on the telly I have to jerk myself off.

    Am I normal?
     
    Kev, May 1, 2005
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    Alan Guest

    Ofgem may also be interested, MAFF too if the unhindered spread of
    bullshit continues.
     
    Alan, May 1, 2005
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    Alan Guest

    If you're a tory then yes.
     
    Alan, May 1, 2005
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    Tone Guest

    I don't need your help, thanks.
     
    Tone, May 1, 2005
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    Truth Seeker Guest

    You really are ridiculously pathetic. Get a life. And a brain. Start with an
    ant's.
     
    Truth Seeker, May 1, 2005
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    Truth Seeker Guest

    P.S. Please do, then hopefully we won't hear any more from you. Failing
    that, why don't you go and cry to Mummy.
    P.P.S. I wouldn't want you as a whingeing customer.
     
    Truth Seeker, May 1, 2005
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    Alan Guest

    And how do you distinguish yourself from this?
     
    Alan, May 1, 2005
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    Alan Guest

    Net nannies usually have a small todger.
     
    Alan, May 1, 2005
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    Bob Eager Guest

    Presumably your day nursery re-opens on Tuesday - thank God.
     
    Bob Eager, May 1, 2005
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    Marc Guest

    Can't the Tories afford to run any more TV or billboard adverts??
     
    Marc, May 1, 2005
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    Truth Seeker Guest

    It takes intelligence to discern that.
     
    Truth Seeker, May 1, 2005
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