FTTC from BT

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Gordon Freeman, Jun 29, 2012.

  1. I've been told at the place I work that BT Connect are apparently offering
    them FTTC for the same price as their ADSL apart from a nominal setup fee,
    but in the past whenever they've promised us something would be the same
    price or cheaper it has always ended up more expensive, so I wondered if
    anyone knows if they are definitely doing ADSL to FTTC changeovers for no
    increased cost? There's currently have a good 16 meg connection so there
    wouldn't be any benefit to FTTC apart from increased upload speed which
    would be useful for remote working.

    At the moment we use an old Netgear DG834 with a whole bunch of
    firewall and forwarding rules, with FTTC this would need changing to a
    cable router I believe, I wonder if there is one which would have the same
    or better firewall/forwarding rule capabilities as the Netgear which would
    offer a painless transition? (Maybe allow the Netgear setting file to be
    imported?)

    Finally does anyone know if BT change your IP address if you switch to
    FTTC? At present we are paying them £5/month for a static IP address (a
    bit of a ripoff I know!) but I know static addresses sometimes get changed
    if the underlying infrastructure is changed, and we have a mailserver on
    our network so would need to plan ahead for any change.
     
    Gordon Freeman, Jun 29, 2012
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  2. Gordon Freeman

    kraftee Guest

    AFAIA I do not believe that (so far) I have met up with any FTTC/NGA jobs
    which have a static IP.

    If you're going with BT you will be supplied (and supported) with a router
    as well as the fibre 'modem' and at the present moment they all appear now
    to be variants of the infamous HH3 so you'll have 3 choices:-

    1, Try to configure the HH3 with all the rules and port forwarding (I
    haven't had a chance to play with a HH3 in business mode so am not sure how
    flexible, or should that read inflexable, they are)
    2, just turn of the internal firewall and forward all ports to another
    router/firewall, this can work even though it may mean a double NAT
    situation.
    3, source another compatible router, of which there appear to be a few
    floating around. One very important point to remember is that you will get
    absolutely no support of you go this way.

    Have fun you lucky blitter, my local exchange has still not been
    classified...
     
    kraftee, Jun 29, 2012
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  3. Gordon Freeman

    Andy Burns Guest

    I saw phase 10 has been announced, Ruddington doesn't cover you then?
     
    Andy Burns, Jun 29, 2012
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  4. IDnet do static IP as standard and will supply FTTC if the exchange is
    enabled.

    Also onestop shop for line rental and phone..
     
    The Natural Philosopher, Jun 29, 2012
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  5. Do you mean you can't have a static IP at all, or just that it changes on
    switchover? We need a static IP for our mailserver and remote desktop.
    Can't we use any cable router? I thought the BT modem had an ethernet
    output that could be connected to any standard (non-ADSL) router.
     
    Gordon Freeman, Jun 29, 2012
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  6. Gordon Freeman

    Graham. Guest

    There, I've corrected your punctuation.
     
    Graham., Jun 29, 2012
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  7. Gordon Freeman

    Davey Guest

    Mine is also classified, as "Out in the sticks, you will never see
    FTTC before you die!".
     
    Davey, Jun 30, 2012
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  8. Gordon Freeman

    Andy Furniss Guest

    How would you know? I don't pretend to know either - just curious.

    I have a static /29 on ADSL2 and can't see from the PPP negotiations how
    any one would know whether it was a dynamic single address (OK I suppose
    if you dropped and reconnected and saw different then you could infer
    dynamic).
    This is down to the ISP - there are plenty who offer static and multiple
    with their FTTC products.

    I have no idea whether your ISP will be able to give you the same one -
    maybe you should ask them.
    AFAIK anything that can do PPPoE will do.
     
    Andy Furniss, Jun 30, 2012
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  9. Me too, and to be honest, what else would BT do in order to meet their
    target of percentage premises served? They're not a philanthropic
    organisation.
    The obvious way to meet their targets - and the way they seem to be
    going - would be to concentrate on the cities first, then the towns,
    with only "special trial areas" breaking that trend, like certain small
    villages in Cornwall that are being used as guinea pig areas for
    ultra-high speed broadband.
    BT are following their general trend in my rural county, which has four
    towns, three of which are now equipped for FTTC. I live in a village in
    the middle of the county which is about eight miles distant from any of
    those towns. I can therefore expect nothing better than the current "up
    to 8 Megs" service from my local exchange, which is not in a "special
    trial area", nor a sizeable area of population.
    We don't even have mains gas either.
    It's a lovely bit of countryside though...
    :-(

    George
     
    George Weston, Jun 30, 2012
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  10. Gordon Freeman

    Davey Guest

    Nor, often, a sensible one, to judge by the amount of time it took to
    get my billing sorted out, to have the same mistake repeated at each
    successive billing. Always in their favour, of course.
    Nor do we. Back before WWII, there was a local company, that made
    its own gas for the village. There is still a summer house made from
    clinker from the factory, and at the back of my house, there is a pipe
    stub that is reputed to be part of the old supply pipework, although
    there is no proof for that. But I don't know what else it was for, so
    I'll go with it until proven wrong!
    I saw recently that there was some considerable road work going on in
    the local main town outside the BT exchange, the one with my area
    code, but I think they were just rebuilding a retaining wall. Oh well, I
    had hope for a few days. I am still listed as:
    "Out in the sticks, you will never see FTTC before you die!"
     
    Davey, Jun 30, 2012
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  11. Are you sure about that? Using DynDNS you should be able to do those equally
    well with dynamic assignment too. The one hard nut is VPN when a corporate
    firewall is hard coded to the valid IP addresses of off-site workers.
     
    Anthony R. Gold, Jun 30, 2012
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  12. Its a lot easier to buy your FTTC from a company that gives you a static
    as standard.
     
    The Natural Philosopher, Jun 30, 2012
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  13. Gordon Freeman

    Graham J Guest

    You probably get it fixed it a timely fashion when it goes wrong, also!
    For a business, this is a vitally important consideration ...
     
    Graham J, Jun 30, 2012
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  14. Gordon Freeman

    Andy Champ Guest


    Mine is still listed as coming this year.

    For the last three years all that has changed is the number saying which
    year this is :(

    Andy
     
    Andy Champ, Jun 30, 2012
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  15. Gordon Freeman

    kraftee Guest

    Not when I checked a couple of days ago, I still can't believe that there
    is/was more demand in Plumtree than Ruddington, but of course I don't know
    who lives in the Plumtree catchment area now do I ;-?
     
    kraftee, Jun 30, 2012
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  16. Gordon Freeman

    kraftee Guest

    Just checked it's changed from not currently planned, to future exchange
    (with date to be supplied nearer the time.

    So that's from absolutely nothing to a possibility some indeterminate time
    in the future.
     
    kraftee, Jun 30, 2012
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  17. Gordon Freeman

    Andy Burns Guest

    The phase 10 announcement says all the announced exchanges will be RFS
    "By end of 2013" so that's up to 18 months, subject to change of course,
    but not always for the worse, my phase 9b exchange has changed from "By
    end of 2013" to "December 2012", it could also change again of course.
     
    Andy Burns, Jun 30, 2012
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  18. Gordon Freeman

    kraftee Guest

    Exactly, in this case it's best not to build your hopes up to high. On the
    other hand even if they do proceed with either mine or your exchanges, there
    is no guarantee that our PCPs will be upgraded so we could still be stuffed
    even after the rollout.
     
    kraftee, Jun 30, 2012
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  19. Gordon Freeman

    Davey Guest

    That is close to my apochryphal saying:
    "One day, all e-mail messages sent will also be received.
    Unfortunately, we won't know which day that is."
     
    Davey, Jul 1, 2012
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  20. Gordon Freeman

    Mark Burns Guest

    "kraftee" wrote in message

    Exactly, in this case it's best not to build your hopes up to high. On the
    other hand even if they do proceed with either mine or your exchanges, there
    is no guarantee that our PCPs will be upgraded so we could still be stuffed
    even after the rollout.

    -----------------------------------------------------

    That's true of my area, My Cab seems to be the only one not upgraded, Any
    idea why some are not and if they possibly will be later?

    Mark
     
    Mark Burns, Jul 2, 2012
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