fibre and adsl

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by critcher, Apr 9, 2015.

  1. critcher

    critcher Guest

    At the moment I have adsl with Sky.It is a good service and decent
    enough speeds.
    FTTC is now available according to BT, I was wondering if it was
    possible to have two providers, one adsl one fibre. Would that only be
    possible with FTTH. If the only common denominator is the wire from cab
    to home is it possible to use both and then cancel the one I don't want
     
    critcher, Apr 9, 2015
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    Woody Guest


    Two different telephone lines?
     
    Woody, Apr 9, 2015
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    Graham. Guest

    Yes, you could have FTTC as well as FTTH.

    You would have to have a second phone line installed and pay the
    installation charge, and you would need a BT or a competitor to
    provide a phone service and pay the ongoing line rental (even if you
    have no use for the line).

    But apart from the redundancy it gives you when things go wrong, why
    do you want to do this?

    Why not just migrate your existing line to the faster service?
     
    Graham., Apr 9, 2015
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  4. critcher

    Graham J Guest

    The "common denominator is the wire from cab" and this can only carry
    one broadband signal. So no.

    However if you had FTTP that would be a completely separate service, so
    you could have both simultaneously. But FTTP usually costs very roughly
    £1,000 per month plus £50,000 inital setup (subject to survey) - did you
    envisage paying that?
     
    Graham J, Apr 9, 2015
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    Ash Burton Guest

    Unless you already have 2 different lines to the property, that would
    mean paying 2 line rentals and an installation charge for the 2nd line
    and a minimum contract period, technically possible but expensive.

    So the answer is it would not normally be possible to have ADSL and
    fibre to work simultaneously on the same line, as OR will connect a
    dedicated fibre modem to your line.

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    Ash Burton, Apr 9, 2015
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  6. No. It's not physically possible to have both on the same cable. If
    you want FTTC now, and Sky are not yet offering it, you would have to
    change to a different provider.

    It doesn't have to be BT. No matter who you pay for the service, the
    signal will come along the same cable, so it is the laws of physics
    that will determine what speeds are possible, though the quality of
    technical support may vary, which you will be very glad of if anything
    goes wrong.. From my own experience, Plusnet and Zen are both good.

    Rod.
     
    Roderick Stewart, Apr 9, 2015
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  7. critcher

    critcher Guest

    yes that's what I thought would be the case, so the only problem would
    be the line to the house.The reason I looked at this was to get a fibre
    provider on stream, not Sky, and then to cancel Sky broadband.
    Not because of a bad service, but Sky fibre contract is too long and not
    as good as other providers.My line and phone is with BT and I don't like
    having to move my line rental to another provider, that would be all my
    eggs in one basket with Sky.
    This moving of line rental in order to have broadband with another
    provider seems wrong to me, BT at the moment is throwing their Sport
    channels at all and sundry though I don't know how long it will be
    "free". I'll have to look around at other providers.

    Thanks for the info
     
    critcher, Apr 9, 2015
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  8. You don't have to change line rental to have broadband with another
    provider. You can leave your line rental with BT and have ADSL from
    different providers, as I did for many years. There's usually a slight
    price advantage in transferring it to your ISP, but it's up to you.

    I'm not sure if it's the same with VDSL (FTTC), because by the time I
    upgraded I had already transferred my phone line anyway.

    Rod.
     
    Roderick Stewart, Apr 10, 2015
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    Phil W Lee Guest

    Yes, it is still the same on VDSL, although I chose to migrate my line
    rental to my ISP at the same time as upgrading to VCSL/FTTC.
    But that was very clearly a choice - I was offered the option of
    leaving the line with BT, but the sums just didn't add up - I now get
    FTTC completely unlimited + phone with unlimited UK geographic calls
    for less than I was previously paying for (limited) ADSL + phone with
    unlimited UK geographical calls. And the non-geographical calls are
    cheaper too, as are international ones (although I very rarely make
    them - most that I would have made in the past I can now make through
    the net for free, and generally at higher quality).

    Faster, cheaper and more reliable (and with a real UK tech support) is
    hard to beat.

    Plusnet seem to be the best of the budget oriented ISPs, and by some
    margin.
    The premium service ISPs can offer more options (subnet of IPs from
    some, IPv6 from some, better peak time throughput and more resilience
    between themselves and the rest of the world) but obviously cost more,
    and not all offer the same things, so you have to shop more carefully.

    I use Zen (I have a /29 subnet and have no current need for IPv6) but
    a friend uses A&A, because he uses IPv6.
     
    Phil W Lee, Apr 10, 2015
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    critcher Guest


    yes you do if its most of the isp's i've looked at. sky plusnet bt in
    fact i think all of them.Unless you are saying that sky bt et al are
    telling porkies.
     
    critcher, Apr 10, 2015
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    critcher Guest

    but the two lines would come from the same cab, one would be from the
    fibre cab,which is from the wired cab next to it, one from the wired
    cab. Most wired premises have more than one pair of wires to the house
    from the cab therefore why not use two different pairs to provide adsl
    and fibre from two providers.
     
    critcher, Apr 10, 2015
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    Richard_CC Guest

    Technically no problem, but your provider would class the currently
    unused pair as a new connection and charge line rental for it. Even
    though the pair physically exists it has to be connected.
     
    Richard_CC, Apr 11, 2015
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    Kraftee Guest

    Trying to put it simply a pair of wires is normally used each circuit, if
    you want to have 2 (mutually incompatible services)you have to pay line
    rental on 2.
     
    Kraftee, Apr 11, 2015
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    7 Guest

    We have all 3.
     
    7, Apr 19, 2015
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  15. If the VDSL and ADSL signals are in different frequency bands, and the
    filtering is good enough, it might work, but I don't think the Openreach
    systems will allow connection of an FTTC DSLAM and an exchange DSLAM to
    the same exchange line.
     
    Denis McMahon, Apr 19, 2015
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  16. They're not, so it wouldn't.

    And why would you want to do it anyway? If you can have VDSL, what
    would be the point of having ADSL as well? It wouldn't be much use as
    a backup if it were on the same cable.

    Rod.
     
    Roderick Stewart, Apr 19, 2015
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  17. critcher

    critcher Guest

    so it would be use another pair from the cab for sky fibre and a pair
    for BT = two line rentals.
     
    critcher, Apr 20, 2015
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  18. This has been covered already, but yes, and if both lines came from
    the same cabinet they'd both be capable of handling the same services.
    There would be no need to restrict one of them to ADSL, so you could
    have double the bandwidth of a fibre service, at a price of course.

    It still wouldn't be a very good scheme for a backup service though,
    as many of the faults that would affect one cable would also affect
    the other one. For backup, if that's what you want, it would be better
    to obtain the other service from a different source, such as
    Virginmedia, or a mobile data service. Statistically it would be more
    likely that faults would affect different services at different times.

    Rod.
     
    Roderick Stewart, Apr 20, 2015
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  19. critcher

    critcher Guest

    The problem I have is I have adsl with Sky, but my line rental and phone
    is with BT. Skys fibre terms insist on changing my line to them, which I
    don't want to do, also their minimum contract is 18 months.
    If I went with BT for fibre and I could not get the "up to" speed I
    could cancel BT and continue with Sky. I am very near to the cabinet so
    I suppose I will have to bite the bullet in the near future and go BT.
     
    critcher, Apr 20, 2015
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  20. The speed you get will depend on the laws of physics as it's the same
    cable whoever administers it. Your choice of service provider need
    only be based on whoever offers the best deal for you, and whoever
    offers the best customer support.

    Rod.
     
    Roderick Stewart, Apr 21, 2015
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