Entering false Broadband Pre-registrations

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by James, Feb 6, 2004.

  1. James

    James Guest

    Is it worth doing, i.e.. is there any chance of getting caught? Has anyone
    else done it?
    Just wondering as BT have given my village a target that is completely out
    of proportion to the target that the surrounding villages got, making it
    very unlikely that the required pre-registrations will ever be met
    legitimately.
    Using a combination of the phone book and Infodisk all the required details
    are freely available to register.
     
    James, Feb 6, 2004
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  2. James

    Andy Jenkins Guest

    Honestly speaking ? I'd have to say no, as BT have been known to
    check for this type of activitity.

    I've not seen any evidence in a while, but a few months back a couple
    of exchanges had quite a few pre-regs wipped off as BT felt they were
    doing exactly what you are suggesting.
     
    Andy Jenkins, Feb 6, 2004
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  3. James

    Sunil Sood Guest

    A few people have done this in the past and the vast majority have been
    caught by ISP's or BT checking the data.

    Then those exchanges trigger levels are reduced by however many they think
    you have inflated them by - quite possibly deleting some legimate pre
    registarations at the same time.
    I have to say, that might be your view but frankly BT wouldn't have set a
    target at all if they thought that.

    What area is it?

    If its one of the more recent targets its likely to be 25% of the lines on
    your exchange - this is achievable and has been done by many other
    people/campaign groups

    Remember, you just need people to register their interest, they don't need
    to actually buy it...

    Your efforts would be better spent in setting up a campaign group/web site
    to encourage registrations - there is a lot of help from people who have
    already done it successfully and even BT Wholesale helps out with
    posters/stickers/mail drops etc..

    Regards
    Sunil
     
    Sunil Sood, Feb 6, 2004
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  4. Remember, you just need people to register their interest, they don't need
    Have to agree with Sunil. Much better doing a campaign. We had a campaign in
    our small village where some posters were put up around the village and a
    website was created.

    The website had some valid points on it stating that in years to come if we
    were still Broadbandless it might put potential house buyers off which is a
    fair point.

    Anyway the guy that organised the campaign went round everybody's house with
    a leaflet outlining the benefits of Broadband and how we were the only
    village in the area without it. He also put on the flyer that he would be
    back round the houses the following week to take names and phone numbers.

    If your village isn't that big could you not get together with a few like
    minded individuals. Put an advert in the local shop asking for volunteers
    to help you.

    Back to my story, the organiser of my villages campaign went round every
    house and asked them if they would like to be registered and he then
    registered everyone that had said yes. Remember they only have to
    register, they aren't committed to anything at all. Even your 92 year old
    ladies that don't know what the internet is. As long as they have a phone
    line. Plus remember all the houses that have had a separate phone line put
    in purely to access the internet should register each line.

    When the guy was going round the doors we didn't even have a trigger level
    from BT. They had said all along that our exchange wasn't viable. A few
    months later and we have passed the trigger level and being enabled on 28th
    April ;o)

    Don't give up.

    Steven.
     
    Steven Campbell, Feb 6, 2004
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  5. James

    Beck Guest

    Would be a better idea if you went round and asked people to sign up for it.
    Acknowledge that they dont have to buy anything, its just to get the system
    going. Not sure on what success rate you would have though
     
    Beck, Feb 6, 2004
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  6. James

    Ian Guest

    BT "DO" call some people from this list, FWI about 20% of the people
    who registered in my village were contacted, So expect a few confused
    people if you intend to use their details, Also I would expect that
    the IP address will be logged, so yes they will also be able to trace
    it to you, Then what happens next is anyones guess.

    Ian
     
    Ian, Feb 6, 2004
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  7. Further more BT have a handy list of every line on an exchange that
    is being used to access the internet. So if you are registering a line
    at a property that does not access the interent then BT are going
    to be suspicious. If the number of such registrations rises above
    a certain level I imagine BT investigate and start removing all
    such registrations.

    Also BT only accept one registration per property, so it is pointless
    registering both lines if you have two.

    JAB.
     
    Jonathan Buzzard, Feb 7, 2004
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  8. I thought the idea of registration, was to determine how many people
    were interested in Internet access using Broadband, so it would be
    irrelevant if they are already using the Internet, or not.
     
    Gavin Gillespie, Feb 7, 2004
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  9. Further more BT have a handy list of every line on an exchange that
    That is exactly what would happen if a campaign rolled into action. Quite a
    lot of people would be registered that didn't even have a PC if it is
    anything like our campaign.

    As for one registration per property, that is news to me. BT informed me to
    register both my lines as the % for the trigger level was worked out on how
    many lines were active at the exchange.

    Steven.
     
    Steven Campbell, Feb 7, 2004
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  10. Hmm - is this as clearcut as it once was?...

    I got permission just before Xmas from an organisation of which I'm a
    trustee to register an interest in BB on their behalf - but of course
    I'm not legally able to set up a contract. I had to trip round quite a
    few ISPs before I found one I could just register with, without signing
    away on an authority I didn't have.
    Bob
     
    robert of northworthige, Feb 7, 2004
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  11. James

    Beck Guest

    Nothing you did was illegal. You are only registering the interest of that
    organisation. It does not have to be the bill payer
     
    Beck, Feb 7, 2004
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  12. Well generally speaking if you don't even access the Internet using
    dialup why would you want to use broadband?


    JAB.
     
    Jonathan Buzzard, Feb 8, 2004
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  13. There could be many reasons, including freedom of choice, or someone
    having tried dialup previously, and found it too slow, but this is
    certainly not anything to set alarm bells ringing at BT's end.
     
    Gavin Gillespie, Feb 8, 2004
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  14. No - you've missed my point, I think. (I know I wasn't doing anything
    illegal thanks) - it just took a long time - my point was that I had to
    go several ISPs before I found one that would take a registration
    without (apparently) committing to a contract.
     
    robert w hall, Feb 8, 2004
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  15. Except if *lots* of people suddenly start doing that at a particular
    exchange then there is reason to set alarm bells ringing. The odd
    one is not, but if you start doing random registrations you will
    invariably end up with lots of such cases and set alarm bells ringing.

    JAB.
     
    Jonathan Buzzard, Feb 8, 2004
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  16. James

    ddwyer Guest

    one registration pre phone number 10 people at one address does not
    count.

    I attended a village meeting on the subject and was illuminated by the
    following:

    The village threshold 100+ a BT subcontractor guaranteed connection for
    a smaller number 40+ but this would not provide a later capability for
    further connections.
    Those beyond the village would never be broadbanded due to attenuation
    in the copper wires.
    Local subcontractors undertook to bring a dedicated line into the
    village and radio link for £24/month.
    Another offered a mast 8 miles away and a radio link .

    Village thoroughly confused.

    Seems in othe Euro countries connection by phone co is mandatory is this
    so?
     
    ddwyer, Feb 11, 2004
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