Cost per mile of FTTC and EU funding for high speed broadband in remote areas

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Paul, Dec 6, 2008.

  1. Paul

    Paul Guest

    The European Union recently announced an enormous amount of funding for
    infrastructure developments, including subsidies for the provision of good
    quality broadband to those who at present don't have broadband at all or
    have low speeds (that's my paraphrase of what was announced).

    I live in a village, most of which is more than 3 miles from the exchange
    and in consequence the quality of ADSL varies from fair to poor and, in some
    cases, unavailable.

    Does anyone know the kind of cost per mile (say) involved if BT (or someone)
    were to lay a fibre optical fibre cable to the village (presumably using
    existing ducting and poles)?

    My thought is that local users should get together, obtain a realistic price
    for the provision of FTTC and associated equipment/connections/reconnections
    and submit a bid for the funding of this work to the EU, payable from its
    infrastructure improvements budget.

    Any thoughts, ideas, approximate costings, suggestions?

    Gratefully yours!
     
    Paul, Dec 6, 2008
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  2. Paul

    Eeyore Guest

    If they did that it would probably cost minimally more to lay the cable than a
    new copper cable.

    Then you need a 'kerbside box' at your end to convert the optical connection
    back to copper for the last stretch. That'll be moderately expensive I reckon.
    Plus the possible equivalent in the exchange, depending how it's already
    configured.

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Dec 6, 2008
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  3. Well laying underground 11KV power cables cost me around £30k for 600
    meters..thats £50k a kilometer, although I only paid half.

    Id guess at around about £3-5k for overheads. so 43 miles= 5 km = £15-£25k.


    I have installed a few kilstream/megastream links. And wifi hotspots.

    Its doable, but not cheap. You cant use BT cable cots tehy wont let you,
    so the killer is the last half mile. But a good wifi whip on the local
    church tower/steeple, plus a a megastream in, nets you pretty good
    bandwidth.
     
    The Natural Philosopher, Dec 6, 2008
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  4. Paul

    Eeyore Guest

    Considering fibre is tiny, I'm sure it could be done for less than that. The
    kerbside box is another matter.

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Dec 6, 2008
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  5. Paul

    Eeyore Guest

    Like a 'leased line' you mean ?

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Dec 6, 2008
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  6. Paul

    Eeyore Guest

    100Mbps ?

    I wonder at what practical contention ratios that could serve X customers
    at say 4 Mbps.

    Obviously 25 at zero contention. Was it Datastream you could get at
    typically 20-50:1 contention ? Let's target better and say 15:1.

    That could serve 375 end users very nicely when all they have now is
    dial-up !

    So £10k / 375 = £27 per end user. Looks financially do-able.

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Dec 6, 2008
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  7. The cost of the cable is almost irrelevant as is any fibre. Its the
    amount of hassle involved in getting teams of fibre pullers, fiber
    terminators and ultimately diggers, maybe needing permission to trench
    across roads etc. Often BT will give you a private microwave link instead.
     
    The Natural Philosopher, Dec 7, 2008
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  8. And the rental on that is?
     
    The Natural Philosopher, Dec 7, 2008
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  9. No. Thats the EASY bit. Now how are you going to get it TO the
    customers. Where is it terminated? Its the last half mile that kills you.

    Ultimately BT will start to do stuff in its street cabinets, but its not
    there yet..
     
    The Natural Philosopher, Dec 7, 2008
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  10. makes you wonder how anyone can do it for 15 quid a month....
     
    The Natural Philosopher, Dec 7, 2008
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  11. Paul

    Chris Hills Guest

    Paul

    If you are serious, you could ask for a quote from FibreSpan
    (www.fibrespan.co.uk). It was a while ago that I last enquired, and ISTR
    for around 2-4km we were looking at 25k installation and 25k maintenance
    for 3 years. A longer run between two large towns (15-20km) was going to
    cost in the region of 500k.

    Regards,

    Chris
     
    Chris Hills, Dec 7, 2008
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  12. Paul

    Eeyore Guest

    Sure, I can believe that but £10k buys alot of it.

    Interesting.

    I can see a business opportunity here btw. Replace BT as the far end carrier.

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Dec 7, 2008
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  13. Paul

    Eeyore Guest

    If you lay it yourself .... NIL !

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Dec 7, 2008
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  14. Paul

    Eeyore Guest

    Ah, the typical British "it can't be done" mentality !

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Dec 7, 2008
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  15. Paul

    Eeyore Guest

    So don't use BT.

    Graham
     
    Eeyore, Dec 7, 2008
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  16. Oh, it can be done and we have done it.

    But its the harder bit.
     
    The Natural Philosopher, Dec 7, 2008
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  17. Paul

    Stephen Guest

    BT publish their pricing on the web - what you are looking for is
    "short haul data service"
    http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/public/current/Private_Cir__boo/1309_d0e1.htm#1309-d0e1

    note if you need a lot of them you may get better pricing if you get a
    carrier licence from Ofcom and get them from BT wholesale.

    when you work out the costs for a few examples you will realise why
    many carriers are up to their eyes in debt.

    anyhow for 100M, 1 exchange layout so no main link, you are in for a
    minimum of £6.6k install and £7.5k / year to rent.
    Going to GigE will at least double that, and 10G at least double
    again.

    long circuits get expensive quickly, since you pay by the metre for
    the link between the exchanges.
    However - you pay the same for which ever speed link you take for this
    bit, so a fast long link can be only a small amount more than a slow
    one.

    "small" in this context may mean 10 to 20% - but of a £25k / year bill
    for one i looked at a while back.
     
    Stephen, Dec 7, 2008
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  18. Paul

    Paul Guest

    Very, very, many thanks to all who have offered suggestions/comments. I'll
    study them very carefully.

    Best wishes,

    Paul
     
    Paul, Dec 7, 2008
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