Cheap broadband/phone packages

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Andrew Hodgson, Aug 31, 2011.

  1. Hi all,

    Currently I am with A&A and have been on the same package for around 6
    years. I run email from home (Exchange), and everything is working

    Due to moving house at some point in the next few months, I want to
    get a broadband package in for the parents that will provide both
    phone and broadband on the same bill. We are in a rural area, but
    Talktalk have come to our door recently selling us 12MB broadband for
    £15 including evening and weekend calls and line rental. I wouldn't
    consider that for me, but for the parents, it may be worth looking at.
    BT also do a similar, but more expensive deal.

    Are there any other deals I need to look at?

    I also need to decide what to do with the email hosting, I would love
    to somehow keep my Exchange mailboxes as I have been using the same
    mailbox for around 7 years (moving it to new Exchange servers as
    required), that may mean hosting it on a server in the cloud (as well
    as looking at Linux alternatives to Exchange which support
    ActiveSync), or going with a more expensive Exchange hosting company
    such as Mail2web.

    Any suggestions?
    Andrew Hodgson, Aug 31, 2011
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  2. Andrew Hodgson

    Graham J Guest

    Do your parents live at your current address, and will they continue to
    live there?

    In your rural area and using ADSL no supplier will be able to offer a
    speed better than any other, because the length and quality of the
    telephone line is the limiting factor. Conversely some suppliers might
    achieve significantly lower speeds if their backhaul is too congested.

    Look at the sync parameters for your router - that will give you an idea
    of the maximum achievable. Don't be surprised if it is very different
    from the 12Mbyte/sec touted by TT.

    If you can get FTTC that will be different; but probably not relevant
    for your parents.

    I can see the benefit of a bundled option for your parents; but I can't
    make a recommendation. You should be very wary of any speeds offered;
    anything better than your current figure with A&A will be unrealistic.

    For yourself, almost certainly you will need a static IP address. If
    you're happy with A&A ask them to move their service to your new
    location. Talk to them about how this can be managed and you should be
    able to achieve a seamless transfer to your new location. If you intend
    to rent the voice line from BT there will be specific incantations to
    make at the time you place the order ("Simultaneous Provide").
    Graham J, Aug 31, 2011
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  3. Andrew Hodgson

    Bob Eager Guest

    12 Mbyte, or 12 Mbit?
    Bob Eager, Aug 31, 2011
  4. Andrew Hodgson

    Graham J Guest

    Sorry - 12 Mbits/sec
    Graham J, Aug 31, 2011
  5. Andrew Hodgson

    Bob Eager Guest

    Well, the OP got it wrong really. I doubt he meant 12 MB/s, which is what
    he put!
    Bob Eager, Aug 31, 2011
  6. Andrew Hodgson

    Flop Guest

    This is a sorry area for incorrect units.

    1) do k and M refer to 1000x or 1024x

    2) are they bits or bytes?

    There does not seem to be a standard [used].

    and one leading ISP has its speedtest scale as 'mb'

    Flop, Sep 1, 2011
  7. Hey look, I'm getting 10 billion mb/second here :)

    Nick Leverton, Sep 1, 2011
  8. Andrew Hodgson

    Bob Eager Guest

    That's a messy area. In theory, 'k' means 1000 and 'ki' means 1024, but
    not everyone bothers with 'ki'. Likewise with 'M' and 'm'.
    B is bytes, b is bits.
    Bob Eager, Sep 1, 2011
  9. Andrew Hodgson

    WCZ Guest

    M would be Mega as in 10^6. m would be milli as in 10^-6. Don't get those
    messed up!
    WCZ, Sep 1, 2011
  10. US or UK billions ? (Just to muddy the waters further).
    Andrew Benham, Sep 1, 2011
  11. I realise this, though Talktalk use their own equipment in the
    exchange, which is why I believed they were able to offer the higher
    speed. Some of the neighbors who were paying separately on Talktalk
    for line rental and broadband have received letters in the post
    explaining that now they will be able to take advantage of the
    combined offer, and get the increased speeds. I believe it is only
    Talktalk in this situation, none of the other ISPs (including BT)
    would be able to offer any higher than 8 Mbps in the area. My
    question is: does this seem correct? When I enter in the postcode on
    the Talktalk site, I am getting a 12 Mbps, whereas BT and other
    providers are giving me an up to 8 Mbps, which is what I would have
    The sync speeds here are 8128 kbps / 832 kbps, and these have remained
    pretty constant throughout the years.
    No, we can't get FTTC here.

    Actually I haven't decided what I want to do myself yet, I am
    seriously thinking of going onto external hosting of email and other
    servers, and getting a cheap or commodity package, but as I said I
    need to find a good email provider before I can do that.

    Andrew Hodgson, Sep 1, 2011
  12. Andrew Hodgson

    Andy Champ Guest

    .... And of course in any pre-1999 documentation there were not
    kibi-anything, and kilo was (mis)used universally.

    Andy Champ, Sep 1, 2011
  13. UK billions--the original (from the fifteenth century) billions, meaning a
    million million--are gone.

    They were being seriously eaten away by the 1950s as increasing
    international co-operation among economists and especially scientists took
    its toll; their death knell was sounded in the 1970s when chancellor Dennis
    Healy announced that his billions would from now on fall into line with the
    modern US/rest of the world (mis)usage.
    Peter Boulding, Sep 2, 2011
  14. My 1982 seventh edition Oxford English Dictionary still defines a
    billion as a million million ("chiefly not US"), but I think usage
    was rather fuzzy by then.
    Andrew Benham, Sep 2, 2011
  15. This sums it up quite well:

    George Weston, Sep 2, 2011
  16. Andrew Hodgson

    Another Dave Guest

    Whatever you do, DO NOT use TalkTalk. anybody else is better.

    Another Dave
    Another Dave, Sep 2, 2011
  17. Andrew Hodgson

    Paul Cummins Guest

    We were about to embark at Dover, when (Another Dave)
    came up to me and whispered:
    Apart from Primus, who just sent me a bill for 77Gb usage on an "unlimted"

    But then I'm suing them for breach of contract for £1200....
    Paul Cummins, Sep 2, 2011
  18. Andrew Hodgson

    Another Dave Guest

    That's nothing. TalkTalk kept charging me an arbitrary amount for months
    after I moved to another ISP. Sixteen months later I still haven't got
    the money back despite promises.

    Another Dave
    Another Dave, Sep 3, 2011
  19. Andrew Hodgson

    Mark Guest

    Avoid BT internet & AOL too. Look at the review sites and pick an ISP
    that has decent customer service.
    (\__/) M.
    (='.'=) Due to the amount of spam posted via googlegroups and
    (")_(") their inaction to the problem. I am blocking some articles
    posted from there. If you wish your postings to be seen by
    everyone you will need use a different method of posting.
    Mark, Sep 5, 2011
  20. IDNET have been pretty good for me, not cheap, but the service is pretty
    good and the actual quality of the internet has been pretty much
    'internet and phone line limited'' not ISP limited.

    And phone calls are no different from most other suppliers price wise.

    According to my web stats, most people who access my website are on BT,
    Microsoft (what is THAT? Hotmail? AOL?) and on tiscali.

    BE/O2 and Plusnet feature a lot too and then its a smattering of other
    suppliers. Virgin feature where there is cable..
    The Natural Philosopher, Sep 5, 2011
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