Can I share ADSL with my neighbours, and split the cost?

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Adam, Dec 29, 2003.

  1. Adam

    Adam Guest

    I know that it is physically possible to share my ADSL connection, but
    are any ISPs going to kick up a fuss about it? (And can they find
    out?)

    I can't see anything in the Freeserve or Plusnet terms and conditions
    saying that its not allowed, however Zen say "10.3 The service we
    supply you, and any associated software, is intended for your use
    only. Therefore, the service (or any part of it) or the associated
    software, must not be re-sold, transferred, assigned or sub-licensed
    to anyone else."

    Perhaps I'll set up a nice wireless network to play games against my
    neighbours, and be horrified when I find out they've been stealing my
    internet bandwidth! The nasty people. Obviously I'd like to split the
    cost with them, and if I can sign up with someone who allows this,
    then all the better.

    £30 split three ways is much better than £14.99 each for (un)limited
    dialup

    Any comments welcome!

    Adam
     
    Adam, Dec 29, 2003
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    tHatDudeUK Guest

    Not really no. No different to using it yourself. You could have two
    internet explorer windows open browsing various sites and have download
    managers running various downloads. Not any different to more than one
    machine.
    There may be a way of limiting their bandwidth of which I'm unaware.
    Consider a 1 or 2mb service (check out www.fast24.co.uk and
    www.bulldogdsl.co.uk ) if you want to share it. However, you still get a
    measly 256 upload no matter what. If you are worried your neighbours will be
    24/7 downloading and eating your bandwidth best way is to keep your
    broadband to yourself. However, if they'll mostly browse the occasional
    webpage and check e-mails and play games then that won't really affect you
    all that much.
     
    tHatDudeUK, Dec 29, 2003
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  3. Adam

    tHatDudeUK Guest

    tHatDudeUK, Dec 29, 2003
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  4. On 29 Dec 2003, Adam wrote

    -snip-

    From an ISP point of view, there's probably not a lot they can do, or
    would particularly be fussed about, as long as you weren't all trying
    to download binaries 24/7.....

    But that's not the biggest problem: it's the logistics that'll screw
    it up.

    The person whose name is on the contract has to get the other guys to
    stump up each month for their share -- and everybody involved in this
    arrangement is either too strapped for cash or too cheap to buy their
    own broadband service.

    Have you ever flat-shared and tried to get the others to pay their part
    of the phone bill? Better you than me..... ;)
     
    Harvey Van Sickle, Dec 29, 2003
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    repo Guest

    basically just make sure he has the router installed on his prem and just
    unplug the *unt if he doesn't pay :)
     
    repo, Dec 29, 2003
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  6. Adam

    Andy Furniss Guest

    If you want to game while your neighbours want to
    fileshare/download, then unless you get them to throttle down on bandwidth
    usage, your latency will go through the roof. It is possible to get apps to
    do QOS, but you'll need to run a PC between your network and the DSL
    connection.

    Andy.
     
    Andy Furniss, Dec 29, 2003
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    Clansman Guest

    You'll need to remember that as the account is in your name, you're legally
    the one responsible if your mates do anything dodgy. If they do, you're the
    one that'll lose the account and get blacklisted.

    I personaly know 3 people that have had their accounts closed by their ISPs
    when they've been reported for running P2P servers. All 3 of them got the
    accounts back after a bit of grovelling, but they don't use P2P anymore.

    Clansman
     
    Clansman, Dec 30, 2003
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  8. Adam

    tHatDudeUK Guest

    Change the settings of the router and let the others with no broadband
    service but yes this would leave the one with the contract in a bit of crap
    if they couldn't pay up.
     
    tHatDudeUK, Dec 30, 2003
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  9. Adam

    tHatDudeUK Guest

    Another issue I just thought of which you might like to consider. Now I'm
    not saying this is the case but it is slightly possible but if criminal
    activity were to occur then your name would be attached to the adsl service
    used. Also if someone downloads the latest movie and MPAA spot and complain
    a few times your ISP will shut you down leaving you with no ISP connection
    at all.
     
    tHatDudeUK, Dec 30, 2003
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  10. Adam

    Peter Guest

    Right - this has got to be the #1 problem, confidentiality between
    users, and the risk of somebody downloading dodgy material. It is
    common knowledge that hard core forms the major part of internet
    traffic... I can't see any way to completely avoid somebody reading
    your emails.


    Peter.
     
    Peter, Dec 30, 2003
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  11. Security between users is clearly an issue - but making two or three
    separate and secure groups of users is straightforward with most
    PC's/Macs.

    The scenario outlined make the subscribers a sort of sub-ISP. I would
    make the other users pay in advance, sign an acceptable use policy,
    etc. If they will not then there was bound to be trouble.
     
    Hiram Hackenbacker, Dec 30, 2003
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  12. I don't see how they'd find out unless you were particularly stupid and
    told them - pretty much every ISP has something in their T&C prohibiting
    reselling the service without specific authorisation.

    Don't forget - as others in this thread have pointed out - that you will
    be liable for any abuse of the service including spam, virus/worm
    infection and spread, being caught downloading/publishing copyright
    materials, etc.
    Perhaps there is scope for an ISP to offer a neighbour friendly service.
    If there is demand for it I'd certainly be happy to offer it.

    Jason Clifford
     
    Jason Clifford, Dec 30, 2003
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  13. The third-parties using the service would most likely call the ISP if
    they had problems. At that point the ISP would realise the service was
    being resold (or at least being made available to a wider group).
     
    Hiram Hackenbacker, Dec 30, 2003
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    Mugwump Guest

    That brings another point to the fore. Do they allow you to resell a
    residential connection? Since that is effectively what you are doing.
     
    Mugwump, Dec 30, 2003
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    Ian Stirling Guest

    For a small number (4) users, you could simply use different WEP keys
    for them, and totally eliminate the issue, as none could read eithers
    traffic.
    I don't know if WPA easily supports this.
     
    Ian Stirling, Dec 30, 2003
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  16. Adam

    tHatDudeUK Guest

    This would be difficult to enforce when the sub-ISP'ng is already a breach
    of the conditions of the original service.
     
    tHatDudeUK, Dec 31, 2003
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  17. Difficult to enforce IF sub-ISP'ng is already a breach. It may not
    be. The service I use does not preclude its resale.
     
    Hiram Hackenbacker, Dec 31, 2003
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    Peter Guest

    Surely, the party with physical access to the ethernet connection to
    the ADSL modem can always see all the traffic, in the clear.

    The only way one of the "neighbours" sharing the connection would get
    confidentiality would be if he used a VPN all the way to the other
    end.


    Peter.
     
    Peter, Jan 1, 2004
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  19. Does that mean that using Skyp is forbidden, it uses P2P, surely not. I
    need to know as I am interested in net telephony and Skyp is a foremost
    provider.
     
    Derrick Fawsitt, Jan 2, 2004
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  20. Adam

    Ian Stirling Guest

    Of course.
    The owner can always read the traffic, unless as you suggest a VPN
    is used.
     
    Ian Stirling, Jan 2, 2004
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