Bulldog ADSL - How many people get 4mb/s

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Dee, Mar 17, 2005.

  1. Dee

    Dee Guest

    As far as I understand it the maximum speed you can get for ADSL depends
    on the quality of the phoneline and distance from the exchange

    When Bulldog comes to your exchange do they do something special which
    increases a person's ability to get faster speeds?

    My decibel figures from my ADSL router currently on pipex 512 kb/s
    suggest the most I can get is 1 mb/s cos of line quality / distance
    issue - will a move to Bulldog improve that?
     
    Dee, Mar 17, 2005
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  2. Dee

    Sunil Sood Guest

    LLU ISP's like Bulldog install their own DSLAM's in BT's exchanges.

    They don't do anything "special" but as they own their own equipment they do
    not follow BT's rather conservative line test limits.

    For instance, if you could get 2MB with BT, the chances are you can get 4MB+
    with an LLU ISP.
    It won't improve your dB figures but Bulldog (or any other LLU ISP) will be
    more willing to try faster than 1MB speeds and depending on your readings
    (especially your SNR) you could probably get faster speeds.

    If you do sign up with Bulldog would you mind quoting my referral code -just
    quote "bdol 87431" when signing up online (under "How did you hear about
    Bulldog?/Referred by a Friend") or just mention it while ordering by
    telephone.

    Regards
    Sunil
     
    Sunil Sood, Mar 17, 2005
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  3. I don't about what they do other than using their own equipment, and
    having their own slighter less stringent restrictions, as Sunil has
    stated, but I'm seriously considering the Bulldog [email protected] package
    myself.
     
    Sleeker GT Phwoar, Mar 18, 2005
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  4. Dee

    Joe Guest


    Keep in mind the possibility that you might actually experience lower
    download speeds than you currently have.

    I've had [email protected] 4mb installed for about a week now. I'm getting
    about 3mb downstream but my upload speeds are 213kb (as per
    ADSLGuide's speedcheck) so a lot lower then they were when I had a
    512/256Kb service.

    A bulldog technical guy said that it was because increasing the speed
    of a line can have a detrimental effect on upload speed. I don't know
    if he's right.

    Upload speed is very important if you use P2P applications (such as
    Edonkey) where you can only download as much as you upload. In fact,
    apart from Usenet, I can't find any way to get even close to maxing
    out my download speed. I've far prefer a service of 1Mb down, 1 Mb up.


    Joe
     
    Joe, Mar 18, 2005
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  5. Dee

    Dee Guest

    When I type in my phone number it says the 4mb/s service isn't expected
    in my area until May 2005 - Someone from Bulldog called me last night to
    ask about if I want to move to them but since tit's not even in my area
    for 2 more month couldn't give her much of an answer, last time C&W told
    us they're comign o our area it was 2 years before they did, same with
    homechoice been 3 years sinec they said they'd be coing soon to our area
    and still not here in NW London
     
    Dee, Mar 18, 2005
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  6. Dee

    pete devlin Guest

    Strange. I think you must be without clue. I find it easy and always
    have. 10 minutes spent on google and various FAQs would sort you out if
    you care to look.
     
    pete devlin, Mar 18, 2005
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  7. Dee

    Tân Coul Guest

    Possibly a little harsh on the poor lass ;-)
     
    Tân Coul, Mar 18, 2005
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  8. Dee

    Sunil Sood Guest

    Just to add to my previous post - around 60/70% of people connected to an
    exchange should be capable of getting 4MB (with about 50% capable of getting
    8MB)

    Regards
    Sunil
     
    Sunil Sood, Mar 19, 2005
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  9. Dee

    Joe Guest

    You find it easy to do what? If you mean you find it easy to make use
    of more than 1meg download bandwidth then I'd love to hear how you do
    it. Please don't give me the old twaddle about Linux distros and
    stuff.....<yawn>!!. I've heard it all before and it really doesn't
    wash. I'm not a newbie. I've been pirating everything on the internet
    I can get my hands on since 1992 or thereabouts when I was one of the
    first to have a dial-up connection from Demon.

    The only thing most people (including myself) who have a 4meg
    connection are interested in is downloading pirate software, music,
    films and TV. Most people who say otherwise are being coy. The only
    good source of material in one (download) direction is Usenet but most
    Usenet servers will give you nothing close to 4meg bandwidth

    P2P requires sharing; so basically the advantages of a 4meg/256Kb
    connection are very limited indeed,



    Joe
     
    Joe, Mar 19, 2005
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  10. Dee

    pete devlin Guest

    I don't mean to be rude but have you gone out of your way to look daft?
    By selective snipping you have managed to change the way my post looked.
    If you care to look back you'll see that I was replying to your comment
    where you state "I can't find any way to get even close to maxing out my
    download speed. I've far prefer a service of 1Mb down, 1 Mb up."
    I find it easy to max out mine, even without SDSL <snigger>. Obviously
    one or two others are able to do it too otherwise those cap thingies
    wouldn't be getting imposed now would they?
    I'm sure you would. Unfortunately it isn't very difficult and the fact
    that you find the very thought so amazing makes me wonder about your
    clue levels. I certainly don't think that I have the time and patience
    to give an online care session to one with such special needs.
    Why would I? p2p apps will achieve the white man's magic you speak of.
    Such a history and still no clue.
    That's very honest of you.
    Not the word I would use to describe it but I know what you mean and
    agree for the most part.
    No and yes. (I'll take your word for it as I have never used Usenet for
    downloads)
    This appears to be your clue sticking point. I only have a 2 meg line
    but the times I choose to download ahem, linux distros, I max it out. As
    I have already pointed out, 10 mins on google should explain how it's
    done. It's not always possible, but most times it is.
     
    pete devlin, Mar 20, 2005
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  11. Dee

    Sunil Sood Guest

    Regards
    Sunil
     
    Sunil Sood, Mar 20, 2005
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  12. Dee

    Ste Kearney Guest

    We share uk telly progs via bit torrent, slightly dodgy but nothing
    thats on DVD or VHS, those ITK know where from.

    My mate in Boston MA has a 10mb down 800kb up cable (15 quid a mo!) and
    he can only max out at 100kb on torrents. Same as my NTL 3mb cos we had
    a race!

    Ste
     
    Ste Kearney, Mar 20, 2005
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  13. Dee

    Sunil Sood Guest

    1. I understand from the internal Bulldog customer forums that some people
    are being given a free 512K connection if they sign up to the 4MB service
    and its not currently available.

    2. Are you sure HomeChoice is not available where you live? HomeChoice now
    use LLU as well and seem to have NW London covered (see
    http://www.homechoice.co.uk/pcode/postcode.checker?sitetemplate=level1)

    Regards
    Sunil
     
    Sunil Sood, Mar 20, 2005
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  14. Dee

    OneMeg Guest

    For why? What's in it? Does it make one subservient to the "Friend"?
    Is it a Pyramid scam? For why, do you ask such a thing from a
    stranger?
     
    OneMeg, Mar 26, 2005
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  15. Dee

    Sunil Sood Guest

    Hmm - as the pervious post says - its a referral code and means that in
    theory (in theory as either nobody has used it or as Bulldog haven't paid me
    anything for least the last 6 months or so) I may get something for
    referring someone else.. it carries no obligation at all

    The one "bad" thing about Bulldog (for me) is their billing system - they
    are currently migrating to a new billing platform but have managed not to
    bill me for a couple of months now (and I am not the only one) - otoh maybe
    thats not such a "bad thing"

    I noticed in one of your other posts you said that Bulldog was "Exorbitantly
    priced" - would you like to explain why ?

    Regards
    Sunil
     
    Sunil Sood, Mar 26, 2005
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  16. Dee

    guv Guest

    See below.
    Usenetserver.com give you a full 2MB bandwitdth. The rest of your 2MB
    left can be shared over the household network for browsing or
    whatever. As a "non newbie" I'd have thought you would have known
    this.
    If you were using just one PC and only P2P, then you have a good
    argument. Problem is, I can max out my current 2MB without even trying
    and never use P2P anyway.
     
    guv, Mar 27, 2005
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  17. Dee

    Dale Walker Guest

    You make two points that both need addressing seperately.

    You suggest that no-one other than P2P users would find 1Mb+
    connections any real use.

    I disagree. I have two clients that both need very decent 2Mb+ speeds.
    One does an offsite backup of their server every night and the other
    is for a TV producer who wants to download rushes from his company
    every day.

    Don't forget there are some 'paid for' services to allow people to
    download video/music and current video resolution for news vid clips
    and other online streamed video is more often than not, crap and could
    do with better download speeds for better resolutions.

    There are also many other services that are just waiting to become
    viable (like paid for streamed TV/movies/music and games downloads)
    that will only really work when a sufficient amount of users have
    decent services. It's not just todays applictions and uses that you
    have to think of but ones in the near future too.

    You should check out some of the Korean and Japanese websites to see
    what is possible when the majority of peoples connections are at least
    2Mb+ (a close Japanese friend of mine has a 50Mb down/3Mb up
    connection for around £20 per month and that provides a fully
    downloadable TV/movie service (for extra cost though). Check out
    http://bbpromo.yahoo.co.jp/promotion/adsl/service/50m/ if you're
    dubious (you might need to use a translation service like googles or
    altavistas if you want to read the full details though). In Japan, I
    believe the lowest DSL speed available now is 3Mb. Anyway, with
    everyone on speeds at a minimum of 3Mb, a whole new set of uses
    suddenly springs into action.

    Your point about upload speed is a very valid one however. If for
    instance you would want to backup your works server to your home PC
    every day then you'd need a decent upload speed from work.
     
    Dale Walker, Mar 29, 2005
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