Buffalo WHR-G54S and W98SE issues (somewhat OT)

Discussion in 'Wireless Internet' started by Louis Ohland, Mar 21, 2007.

  1. Louis Ohland

    Louis Ohland Guest

    I finally installed W98SE on a NetVista 8364 [on a 4GB CF card]. It
    is wired to a WHR-G54S, it can transfer files via M$ Network
    Neighborhood, but it fails to connect past the upstairs router. I have a
    760XL, also wired to the same WHR-G54S, that can get out to the internet
    just fine. So it appears the settings on the WHR-G54S are working.

    The Netvista can ping the upstairs router at 192.168.1.2, but the
    ping times out for the downstairs router, 192.168.1.1, further, it can
    access the upper router via HTTPS inside of FireFox, but fails to
    resolve 192.68.1.1 Running WINIPCFG shows the downstairs router as the
    DHCP server. I see the Netvista is listed on the downstairs router as
    having a valid DHCP lease.

    The 760XL can ping both the upstairs router (192.168.1.2) AND the
    downstairs router (192.168.1.1), and in addition, it can access both
    WHR-G54S via HTTPS.

    Network properties for both systems are identical for TCP/IP. Went
    through them screen by screen. I'm stumped. I had three different
    systems wired to the upstairs router, and they all could access the
    internet. Now there is only this 760XL and the 8364.
     
    Louis Ohland, Mar 21, 2007
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  2. Louis Ohland

    Todd H. Guest

    Assuming you're subnet mask is 255.255.255.0 ?

    It sounds to me like you may very well have two separate networks
    sharing the same IP network address space.

    Unless you have done something in configuration to dumb down one of
    the two routers you have here into a switch and disabling one of the
    DHCP servers, your use of 192.168.1.x addresses for both routers is
    probably the reason you're seeing things breaking.

    Best Regards,
     
    Todd H., Mar 21, 2007
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  3. Louis Ohland

    Louis Ohland Guest

    Yes. Subnet is the same for both systems.
    The upstairs router [192.168.1.2] has DHCP Server turned off. Again,
    this system [760XL] is plugged into the same router that the 8364 is
    plugged into. The 760XL gets through, the 8364 doesn't. Both systems
    upstairs are plugged into LAN ports, the single WAN port on the WHR-G54S
    has nothing plugged into it.

    I finally noticed something running through IPCONFIG /ALL

    Both systems are the same (except the 8364 uses an Intel PRO/100+
    Management Adapter). The difference is that the 8364 says the Host Name
    is "NETVISTA", while the 760XL reports machine/ISP.

    This is from the 760XL, which does get through to the downstairs router,
    and then to the internet:
    Windows 98 IP Configuration [for 760XL]
    Host Name . . . . . . . . . : 760XL.mad.wi.charter.com
    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
    NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
    IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
    WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
    NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

    0 Ethernet adapter :
    Description . . . . . . . . : Belkin F5D5020 PCMCIA Card Network Card.
    Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-XX-XX-XX-5F-F3
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.105
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    Primary WINS Server . . . . :
    Secondary WINS Server . . . :
    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 03 22 07 08:19:49
    Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 03 23 07 08:19:49


    This is from the confused system:
    Windows 98 IP Configuration [for 760XL]
    Host Name . . . . . . . . . : NETVISTA
    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
    NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
    IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
    WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
    NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

    0 Ethernet adapter :
    Description . . . . . . . . : Intel PRO/100+ Management Adapter
    Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-XX-XX-XX-8B-3A
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.128
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    Primary WINS Server . . . . :
    Secondary WINS Server . . . :
    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 03 22 07 08:39:52
    Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 03 23 07 08:39:52
     
    Louis Ohland, Mar 22, 2007
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  4. Louis Ohland

    Louis Ohland Guest

    Oops, should be:

    This is from the confused system:
    Windows 98 IP Configuration [for 8364]
    Host Name . . . . . . . . . : NETVISTA
     
    Louis Ohland, Mar 22, 2007
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  5. Louis Ohland

    Todd H. Guest

    Before trying to unravel this, please draw an ascii diagram starting
    from your internet connection of what devices you have hanging off
    what ports and their ip's and what names you've been referring to them
    as. Please use manufacturer names and non names specific to your
    house.

    I see mention of an upstairs router, a downstairs router, the wireless
    router, (one of these two may be the same device), one has a dhcp
    server disabled, not sure which is .1 and .2, and I'm only seeing one
    subnet mentioned throughout, and I suspect that'll lead us to why your
    network isn't happy.

    Based on your ip config settings, I'd make sure that the router with
    ip of 192.168.1.1 is the one that has something connected to its WAN
    port and is the one serving up DHCP addresses.
     
    Todd H., Mar 22, 2007
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  6. Louis Ohland

    Louis Ohland Guest

    I love ASCII art...
    8364 (Netvista)
    Downstairs Upstairs --->192.168.1.128
    WHR-G54S WHR-G54S | LAN Port
    ISP --> 192.168.1.1 (((((((((( 192.168.1.2 ----|
    DHCP Server DHCP Disabled | 760XL (760XL)
    --->192.168.1.105
    LAN Port

    NOTE: "((((" stands for wireless link.
    "----" stands for CAT5 cable
    Using DD-WRT, v23 SP2

    http://www.gilanet.com/ohlandl/NIC/whr-g54s.html#Client_Bridge

    Both systems are the same (except the 8364 uses an Intel PRO/100+
    Management Adapter). The difference is that the 8364 says the Host Name
    is "NETVISTA", while the 760XL reports machine/ISP.

    This is from the 760XL, which does get through to the downstairs router
    (192.168.1.1), and then to the internet:
    Windows 98 IP Configuration [for 760XL]
    Host Name . . . . . . . . . : 760XL.mad.wi.charter.com
    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
    NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
    IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
    WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
    NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

    0 Ethernet adapter :
    Description . . . . . . . . : Belkin F5D5020 PCMCIA Card Network Card.
    Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-XX-XX-XX-5F-F3
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.105
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    Primary WINS Server . . . . :
    Secondary WINS Server . . . :
    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 03 22 07 08:19:49
    Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 03 23 07 08:19:49


    This is from the confused system:
    Windows 98 IP Configuration [for 8364]
    Host Name . . . . . . . . . : NETVISTA
    DNS Servers . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    Node Type . . . . . . . . . : Broadcast
    NetBIOS Scope ID. . . . . . :
    IP Routing Enabled. . . . . : No
    WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . : No
    NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

    0 Ethernet adapter :
    Description . . . . . . . . : Intel PRO/100+ Management Adapter
    Physical Address. . . . . . : 00-XX-XX-XX-8B-3A
    DHCP Enabled. . . . . . . . : Yes
    IP Address. . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.128
    Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
    Default Gateway . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    DHCP Server . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.1
    Primary WINS Server . . . . :
    Secondary WINS Server . . . :
    Lease Obtained. . . . . . . : 03 22 07 08:39:52
    Lease Expires . . . . . . . : 03 23 07 08:39:52
     
    Louis Ohland, Mar 22, 2007
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  7. Louis Ohland

    Todd H. Guest

    Thank you this paints the picture a lot more completely and
    accurately.
    Knowing that you're running third party firmware sure helps too. :)



    http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Wireless_Bridge

    buried in there I saw

    "BrainSlayer Forum Answer [1]
    (http://www.dd-wrt.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=936) (edited to
    enhance): Client Bridge mode will only work well with just one
    connected computer on the far end, due a limitation in the 802.11
    protocol. If you want to bridge a full LAN you must use WDS. The
    problem is that the 802.11 protocol just supports one MAC address, but
    in a LAN there is the possibility for more than one MAC address. It
    may cause ARP table problems, if you connect more than one computer on
    the far end of a Client Bridge mode setup. Use standard AP mode, if
    using WDS."
     
    Todd H., Mar 22, 2007
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  8. Louis Ohland

    Louis Ohland Guest

    Todd, I had three computers hooked up to this router before with the
    same AP-Client Bridge and they ALL worked. NT 4, OS/2 Warp and W98SE.
    When I have time, I can fire up the NT4 box and see what happens.
     
    Louis Ohland, Mar 22, 2007
    #8
  9. Louis Ohland

    Todd H. Guest

    I'm out.
     
    Todd H., Mar 22, 2007
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