Broadband for student son?

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Alan Poulter, May 4, 2005.

  1. Alan Poulter

    Alan Poulter Guest

    My eldest has just signed a lease on his first student
    flat and wants broadband. Is there a workable solution
    that would enable me to control it remotely if I paid
    for it?

    Alan Poulter
    Alan Poulter, May 4, 2005
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  2. define "control it remotely"

    Tiscali - dialup speeds at Broadband prices :)

    Phil Thompson, May 4, 2005
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    Eric Parker Guest


    Maybe you should define "control".

    Eric Parker, May 4, 2005
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    Peter M Guest

    Not sure quite what type of control you would want over it - the
    bulk of ISP services offer similar facilities, some more costly,
    some more flexible, so it also depends what your son may expect.

    I'd say all are 'workable' solutions when it comes to broadband,
    but again, depends what you are *both* wanting from the service.

    There are "capped" services which are probably rather restricted
    but "usable", while there are others which are from 14.99/month.
    Peter M, May 4, 2005
  5. Alan Poulter

    Alan Poulter Guest

    By 'control it remotely' I am thinking of a router whose
    control functions I could access remotely for things like
    connection and security settings, adding/removing users,
    checking logs etc. Since the flat is communal others might
    wish to use the connection.

    Alan Poulter
    Alan Poulter, May 5, 2005
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    BORG Guest

    Well they can all chip in and pay for it, He's an adult now I'm sure
    he can sort an internet connection out. If he can't what's he doing at
    Uni or College.

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    BORG, May 5, 2005
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    Peter Guest

    Most ADSL routers can be accessed from the outside for admin purposes.

    You won't have much remote control over users though, except that you
    can control wifi connections by creating an access list of mac numbers
    (e.g. Draytek 2600 routers).
    Peter, May 5, 2005
  8. on some you can set up content fitlering, allow access at certain
    times of day etc etc.

    Smacks of control freakery, any clued up kid would be replacing the
    externally controlled box with an open one.

    Tiscali - dialup speeds at Broadband prices :)

    Phil Thompson, May 5, 2005
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    Ivor Jones Guest

    You can access a router or any other device remotely if you know the IP
    address, however you'd need to make it accessible through any firewall,
    which you might not want to do. Also dynamic IP addresses can be
    problematic in this respect <g>

    Ivor Jones, May 5, 2005
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    Peter M Guest

    Clearly he would be willing to make that reachable, and the routers I've
    seen allow for a specific IP to be allowed access (so assuming his own is
    fixed, it would be one which had control access, as well as ones on the
    LAN). Unless there's really strong reason for r/c, I'd leave it to the
    son, who is going to be (a) physically nearby, and (b) undermined if he
    isn't in a position to check/test it.

    Cannot see the need for some 'remote control' unless the people using the
    kit are unwilling or unable to cope with a few menus and /really/ need /
    want assistance (the way a few of my clients do... not saying any are
    unable to do it, they'd just prefer not to have to concern themselves
    about the minutiae). Peter M.
    Peter M, May 5, 2005
  11. Alan Poulter

    Alan Poulter Guest

    This is what I was thinking of doing,
    I certainly own up to the 'control freakery' ;-) But then if I left it
    to him I will probably be showered with calls/texts containing vague
    descriptions of problems which I would have to solve immediately :-(
    Follow-ups set to alt.parenting.skills :)

    Alan Poulter
    Alan Poulter, May 6, 2005
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    Dave P Guest

    Dave P, May 6, 2005
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    Peter Guest

    If you get a decent router e.g. a Draytek 2600 ( is a
    good outlet), with wifi, and make sure the firmware is up to date, it
    should just sit there for months without any problems. Enable WEP
    (preferably WPA/PSK) on the wifi bit and you won't likely have
    somebody messing about either. Set up a non-obvious password on the
    admin port and then you can use that to reconfig the router remotely -
    including changing the wifi options, adding new machines to the wifi
    access list, etc.

    Belkin stuff is generally crap, IME.

    With DHCP, any computer plugged into the back of the router will "just
    work" and if it doesn't then the problem will be on that computer and
    not the router, and no remote control will help you if there is no

    The most likely thing to mess up the router will be if the ISP's
    connection has failed and then again you won't be able to do any
    remote debugging.

    The only way to remotely debug a *computer* is to have a remote
    control application like PC/Anywhere running on it (and at your end
    also) but while that is a great solution for remote tech support for
    applications it obviously won't work unless all the connectivity is
    working to start with.

    You ought to go for an ISP that offers a fixed IP without charging too
    much. Zen do it FOC, as do some others.

    Peter, May 6, 2005
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    Martin² Guest

    Draytek is very good, very reliable. Seg is the UK distributor and their
    prices aren't the cheapest, you will do better from online people like etc.
    Martin², May 7, 2005
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    Peter Guest

    I always wonder about this. In this business, nobody offers anything
    that one could remotely call "support" but Seg have a very good
    website with support instructions on how to set up various things.
    Plus a user forum which is sort-of occassionally useful (it isn't
    readily apparent that anybody from Seg actually posts there with
    replies). I even managed to get the VPN features to mostly work by
    following the instructions on the site.

    I'd happily pay another tenner for this, personally.

    The other company I've used for Drayteks is Zionmedia and they give
    you a mobile number of someone who does support for them; the man was
    contactable but rather intermittently.

    One can waste half one's life on these wonders of IT if something
    doesn't work out of the box, and I think that a Draytek router with a
    built-in ADSL modem and all those config features is not terribly
    likely to work out of the box :)
    Peter, May 7, 2005
  16. Zetnet supply uncapped broadband, and a pre-configured broadband
    router/modem, and proper support. There are also (closed) support
    newsgroups where other Zetnuts will help sort out any problems you might

    Word has it that they work nicely straight out of the box - plug'n'play...
    I wouldn't say that Zetnet was that expensive. There *ARE* cheaper
    options, but you get what you pay for.
    The support bods (daytime only) do know their onions, and if you post a
    problem in one of the support groups you very often find a director of
    the company dealing with it.
    I've no idea which modem/router is supplied now, but a peek at will give you some idea - and if you know anyone local to
    you who uses the ISP, you could get them to ask for more detailed info'
    in one of the newsgroups.

    Or you could e-mail me with any questions and I'll ask. horrid dot
    squeak snailything zetnet doht co dott uk

    And no, I'm not a Zetnet salesman! (Just a Zetnut who has been with them
    for about nine years.)
    Fünf von Hundert, May 7, 2005
  17. And a Zimacs user as well! :)

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    Martin² Guest

    I bought a Netgear, it didn't work, full stop. I wasted a week trying to get
    some support from Netgear by phone (call centre in India) and email
    (answered 4 weeks later). So I returned it.

    Bought Draytek 2600We, had it working in 10 mins, wireless and all. Hasn't
    missed a bit in over two years now. I only needed to upgrade the firmware to
    get VoIP to work.
    I am about to buy another one for friend.
    Martin², May 8, 2005
  19. What other client is there to compare?
    Fünf von Hundert, May 8, 2005
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