Broadband for Dad <not a swap>

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by T i m, Oct 6, 2006.

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    T i m Guest

    Hi All,

    My elderly but reasonably 'switched on' Dad has been on PAYG dial-up
    with his eMac for a few years now and had seen his ISP change from
    Freeserve > Wanadoo > Orange?

    His usage is very light ~ £8 / q so he can't *really** justify
    broadband with his current usage pattern.

    However he still has a second BT line that is used for dial-up and fax
    but the fax is nearly redundant now he's fully retired.

    So, he could dump the second line (saving ~£9.m) and take up BB on his
    main line (at ~£15/month) so BB is only 'effectively £6 / month?

    On top of that he would be able to *use* the net more (it's no 'fun'
    at 56k) and maybe if I added a wireless router my Daughter could leave
    her older Tosh WiFi lappy round there (she often goes there after
    school to practice oboe / keyboard) and help them get going on eBay,
    selling all his old photographic gear ..?

    So, they like 'Tesco' (as a shop and I know their BB is via NTL . I'm
    a happy customer (service wise) after 10 years) and I think he may
    have a Mobile phone from Orange?

    Any particular ISP stand out as being particularly good for the above
    please?

    All the best ..

    T i m
     
    T i m, Oct 6, 2006
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    Mark Carver Guest

    NewNet (www.newnet.co.uk) 13 quid a month for up to 2GB (extra usage
    charged at £2.70 per 3 Gigs). Email account included. He'll never get
    to 2 Gigs anyway by the sound of it.
     
    Mark Carver, Oct 6, 2006
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    Graham2 Guest

    http://www.names.co.uk/home_broadband.html offer a couple of packages
    around £15 or less.

    Graham
     
    Graham2, Oct 6, 2006
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    Mel Guest

    AOL are offering upto 1mbps ADSL with a free wireless router at
    £14.99 per month (1yr minimum contract). One snag apart from it
    being aol is that if the line is amber for 1mbps they only supply
    512kbps and I found that it can be a fair amount of hassle getting
    it regraded to the advertised speed.

    On the other hand some people have managed to negotiate
    the same package: sometimes without a wireless router for
    £9.99 http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=aol&Number=2644508&page=&view=&sb=&o=&vc=1
     
    Mel, Oct 6, 2006
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    Joker7 Guest

    : Hi All,
    :
    : My elderly but reasonably 'switched on' Dad has been on PAYG dial-up
    : with his eMac for a few years now and had seen his ISP change from
    : Freeserve > Wanadoo > Orange?
    :
    : His usage is very light ~ £8 / q so he can't *really** justify
    : broadband with his current usage pattern.
    :
    : However he still has a second BT line that is used for dial-up and fax
    : but the fax is nearly redundant now he's fully retired.
    :
    : So, he could dump the second line (saving ~£9.m) and take up BB on his
    : main line (at ~£15/month) so BB is only 'effectively £6 / month?
    :
    : On top of that he would be able to *use* the net more (it's no 'fun'
    : at 56k) and maybe if I added a wireless router my Daughter could leave
    : her older Tosh WiFi lappy round there (she often goes there after
    : school to practice oboe / keyboard) and help them get going on eBay,
    : selling all his old photographic gear ..?
    :
    : So, they like 'Tesco' (as a shop and I know their BB is via NTL . I'm
    : a happy customer (service wise) after 10 years) and I think he may
    : have a Mobile phone from Orange?
    :
    : Any particular ISP stand out as being particularly good for the above
    : please?
    :
    : All the best ..
    :
    : T i m
    :
    :
    :
    :

    You can get some payg broadband deals from around 9.99 with inclusive gigs
    take a look at adslguide.

    Chris
     
    Joker7, Oct 6, 2006
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    Mel Guest

    "Mel" wrote in message news:45263683$0$97250$...
    Another option might be a £15 virgin mobile contract 300 minute
    a month with "free broadband" (sim only).
    http://www.virginmobile.com/vm/paymonthlySimOnly.do

    Also worth checking if he can get the sky deal (or the £9.99
    ukonline deal if he is not a sky subscriber)
     
    Mel, Oct 6, 2006
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    [L.] Guest

    And did you succeed? How did you do?

    I have tried, and tried, and tried, and tried..... and eventually I
    got worn out and stopped trying.

    Lorenz (who actually was at 1MB with his previous ISP)

    [L.]
     
    [L.], Oct 6, 2006
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    Mel Guest

    The best thing to do would have been to ask for a mac code
    during the modem cooling off period after you'd been turned down a
    few times.

    Other than that is to keep ringing (0800 279 6771 or 0117 919 1100)
    until you speak to a helpful AOL employee, some do exist!
    Maybe try the billing and account department.

    It may also help if you can tell them you've had 1mbps before and
    your downstream attenuation is well below BT's max limit for
    1 mbps (60dB).

    Oh, and I had about 4 regrades in all! But, most people seem
    to get it sorted with just a few calls.

    They downgraded my connection to 512Kbps when I joined.

    Two calls plus a couple of weeks later they regraded my line
    back to 1mbps, but omitted the aol.com isp-domain so I
    couldn't connect without their software running.

    Several more calls requesting that they add the domain
    and a few weeks later they downgraded my line to 512kbps
    instead!

    A couple of calls and a week or two later they regraded
    my line to 1mbps again, but this time with the correct
    domain.

    Billing and Accounts were the department that finally sorted it.

    I wouldn't have minded quite so much if I'd got the £9.99
    deal plus the £25 (each) refer a friend discount, but I paid
    full price!
     
    Mel, Oct 6, 2006
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    JGG Guest

    Consider www.efhbroadband.com £14 a month, they'll throw in hardware and
    pay the activation fee if he stays for a year.

    1GB a month included and excellent customer service.

    Works for my Dad!

    Also have good experiences with NewNet.
     
    JGG, Oct 7, 2006
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    T i m Guest


    Thanks to all for the advice.

    The only problem with any 'light user' accounts will be if my Daughter
    get's on it ;-)

    Also, if they do get 'into' ebay I guess that will rack up a few bytes
    (uploading photos etc)?

    Food for thought though ...

    All the best ..

    T i m
     
    T i m, Oct 7, 2006
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    NoNeedToKnow Guest

    I'd hesitate to recommend Eclipse (given they come in for a bashing now
    and then) but the account I'm on at 14.99/month has a 20 GB "peak hours"
    allowance (peak being 1800 to 0000) and a 'fair usage' policy the rest of
    the time. If your daughter uses peer-to-peer then could schedule it never
    to use the 'peak hours'.
    I'd guess that the PC will likely be switched off half the time but in any
    case with a 20 GB limit there should be no problems with whatever they drag
    off or sling at the internet. Firewall figures here show 30 GB last month
    and about 75 GB the month before (but half may have been traffic on LAN).

    There's a 12 month contract, which some might object to, but no activation
    fee, and initial 3 months are 9.99 (offer until end of month) for the one
    (Evolution level 1) I use, different prices for higher allowances...
     
    NoNeedToKnow, Oct 7, 2006
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    Mark Carver Guest

    That's a huge amount. My connection consumes between 2 and 3 Gigs per month.
    That's with four PCs connected, including two used by my two teenage lads.
    Oh, and a PS2 games console. They're busy every night swapping and
    downloading mp3 files with friends, and chatting on MSN, or playing on line.

    Without them, my usage would probably be a couple of hundred megs per month.

    Some people grossly overestimate what their actual use is.

    I suspect average domestic family usage is about the same as mine ?
     
    Mark Carver, Oct 7, 2006
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    kráftéé Guest

    Wish mine was, but you have to remember that different ISPs measures
    usage in different ways. PN measures all traffic going thru your
    connection, so it's uploads, dowloads & any port scans/probes/pings
    etc, whilst others may just count your downloads & there lies the
    problem when discusing this very issue...it's not a level playing
    field..

    I don't download that much, mainly because of my strange tastes but I
    know that as soon as the P2P program turns on (at around 00:15) every
    single allowed connection will be dragging stuff off as fast as they
    can get it, but that is the spirit of P2P so I just shrug my shoulders
    & let it go (think I've go 2 downloads of the war of the worlds & an
    obscure Cisco ebook about the 837 router & how to configure it).
    Can't tell you what's being downloaded though but it keeps my ID
    higher than most...
     
    kráftéé, Oct 7, 2006
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    Mark Carver Guest

    My usage quoted is in both directions. The point I'm trying to make is that
    for the vast majority of families and users, internet use is very modest.
    In a group such as this its easy, and understandable, to view things out of
    perspective.

    <shock:horror>

    I even know some people who only go on line once a week for about 20
    minutes.


    </shock:horror>
     
    Mark Carver, Oct 8, 2006
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    NoNeedToKnow Guest

    I did explain that some chunk of the 75 GB was probably on my LAN. However
    the traffic to/from any individual user will vary considerably. I have a
    few hundred GB of podcasts from *one* source (and I get podcasts from at
    least a dozen sources, some generate much more traffic than the others)
    Well, swapping Eminem, 50 cent, and 2pac tracks at 10 MB (?) per track is
    quite a different matter compared with some other file sharing... See
    <http://getadsl.info/VM-torrents.png> (~40 Kb) As you'll see, I have
    paused the two files (it was a few days of off-peak running to get these
    two items, one around 300 MB the other around 1.25 GB, and of course, for
    all the time I am waiting for segments, the client is able to upload pieces
    I have to others looking for the same).

    Quite different to a download of the Bob Dylan radio hour shows, where one
    does a download and never uploads to someone else, so traffic is just based
    on the files one downloads, while my upload traffic was far in excess of
    the downloaded traffic... ~5 GB (?) total for downloading 1.6 GB.

    I hadn't even mentioned Usenet traffic - with purchase of Agent they gave
    three month's free use of their news servers. My purchase was dated 01/08
    but just a few days ago I went over the limit and paid my second fee for a
    further 7 GB. That means that since August I downloaded 4x 7 GB or about
    28 GB. A portion would have been headers and with the date for renewal
    shifted into October this is all approximate, but gives you some idea of
    how I might have downloaded 15 to 20 GB in August and a smaller amount in
    September to go towards the 'huge' amounts.

    For US$6/month (about 4 quid) it would be possible to use a service
    allowing ** 2 GB a day **. (See <http://www.usenet-access.com/> - I used
    used them a while back but it was more generous than I needed at the time.
    When I have a new NAS box with 500 GB of storage, I will rejoin.
    As indicated, much depends on what one uses the connection for, and how
    many hours one is online. With streaming video services (I've paid for),
    and audio services, "listen again" from the BBC, and various USA services
    (10+ years of past broadcasts for some shows), it isn't necessarily fair to
    suggest it was 'grossly overestimated'... just *very* different to yours!

    My use would be a problem with many of the cheaper internet accounts that
    abound today (with under 5 GB allowance), but fortunately doesn't seem to
    have caused any problem with the ISP I'm using. You try viewing webcams
    and see how much traffic you clock up in 30 minutes - I won't point to
    the fastest streaming cams because I don't want you to get a shock!

    Perhaps, perhaps much less. There are certainly lots of users who have
    very low usage figures. However, "Tim" posted that his daughter might
    use file sharing, and it really depends on what is being shared and how
    much she might have on her laptop (eg with 500 tracks there may be some
    'serious' traffic *from* that laptop, well in excess of the 1 GB/month
    traffic allowance from EFHbroadband, costing 14 pounds, while an extra
    99p would mean there would be little or no worry unless a PC became
    infected with something and generated lots of traffic...)
     
    NoNeedToKnow, Oct 8, 2006
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    NoNeedToKnow Guest

    Tim pointed out that a 1 GB allowance might be too low. His point was
    reasonable, and under the circumstances, I was suggesting an ISP with a
    more relaxed outlook, generous limits, and costing just 99p more a month.

    One slight disappointment is that the ISP doesn't have a traffic usage tool
    to report current or past months' levels so I cannot get a screen dump to
    show how the figures I gave (based on firewall stats) compare with stats
    from the ISP. You'll have to accept my word that I'm only paying 14.99
    a month, and have been a 'heavy user' for months without complaint.
    Some of my friends are similar 'light users'. However, if I need to make
    a connection, to view their display and assist them with some problem, I
    would have problems with a really low allowance on my connections!
     
    NoNeedToKnow, Oct 8, 2006
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  17. 2-3GB a month? I suspect not. Average use on Plusnet was quoted at 8GB
    per month some 2 years ago. Pipex said much the same in private at the
    same time - no harm in saying that now I guess.

    Usage since then has not decreased. How could it have with myspace,
    youtube and a host of other services designed for teens and young
    adults which have appeared since then?

    I suspect that you are not the average domestic family. No offence
    intended.
     
    John Naismith, Oct 8, 2006
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    Mark Carver Guest

    None taken ! :)
     
    Mark Carver, Oct 8, 2006
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    NoNeedToKnow Guest

    There's a massive difference between the average for an ISP and any
    subset of users. Remember that 1% of the users were responsible for
    massive traffic loads, in the 200+ GB a month region. 90% of users
    are likely to use less than 5GB a month, and 50% to 60% below 1 GB
    so the 8 GB figure has to be put into context. Of course things
    will change over a number of years, but if it was the case that
    2 GB is too low a level, why do you think that there are still
    many ISPs with "entry level" accounts giving this "low" a quota?
    Simply that they know it will serve at least 50% of customers and
    when they charge 15 pounds (or more) then it means they can earn
    a profit on the ones who use less than half this allowance.
     
    NoNeedToKnow, Oct 8, 2006
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