Bhteee overcharging for leased lines? ------------------------------------- This is attrocious. Bheetee are overcharging for leased lines by massive 50% or more. If they see competitors move into an area they will drop the price by 50%. But this is not how discounts are supposed to work for such a powerful company with total reach across UK!!! As a big busines with massive reach across then nation you might be entitled to charging 5% discount for biggest customers. The difference in the playing field should not have to be big to fund lavish lifestyles for Bhteee at the expense of preventing upgrades to a VERY LARGE number of businesses who could benefit from a 50% cut in tarriffs and upgrade their lines to compete with the rest of the world. Ofcon needs to get off their ass and most of their staff replaced with more business leaders who have vested interest in seeing the actual costs and prices that Bhteee has to deal with every day and setting the prices with low spread between the volume customers and smaller customers so that internet and data services keep up with the rest of the world. Once companies fall behind in international speeds, its not possible to repair the damage to lost business and infrastructure. So Parliament needs to investigate this immediately and deregulate again. Empower all municipalities to legally set up their own internet infrastructure with their own properly run corporations that boost internet speeds and bring more businesses and wealth into an area. More real competition needed in telecom industry.
Assuming you mean what you say you mean and are complaining about leased lines used commercially by a single exclusive commercial user for telex and other wire communications, who still has them?
Bill wrote: Then you assume wrong. Leased lines are used by companies to get their broadband and voip services together without having to pay a lot more for individual services.
No, that's the 'local loop' A single twisted pair. Leased lines are ('were', I checked, they no longer exist in the UK) four wire circuits used for high speed telex. Commercial users are either on ADSL or lease a variety of digital services from ISDN 64 up to 'what speed do you want?', almost all of which are on fibre these days.
Col. Edmund Burke wrote: What a fscking internet troll!!! As you are just an internet troll, you are just going to have read the original post and weep: LOL! Bhteee overcharging for leased lines? ------------------------------------- This is attrocious. Bheetee are overcharging for leased lines by massive 50% or more. If they see competitors move into an area they will drop the price by 50%. But this is not how discounts are supposed to work for such a powerful company with total reach across UK!!! As a big busines with massive reach across then nation you might be entitled to charging 5% discount for biggest customers. The difference in the playing field should not have to be big to fund lavish lifestyles for Bhteee at the expense of preventing upgrades to a VERY LARGE number of businesses who could benefit from a 50% cut in tarriffs and upgrade their lines to compete with the rest of the world. Ofcon needs to get off their ass and most of their staff replaced with more business leaders who have vested interest in seeing the actual costs and prices that Bhteee has to deal with every day and setting the prices with low spread between the volume customers and smaller customers so that internet and data services keep up with the rest of the world. Once companies fall behind in international speeds, its not possible to repair the damage to lost business and infrastructure. So Parliament needs to investigate this immediately and deregulate again. Empower all municipalities to legally set up their own internet infrastructure with their own properly run corporations that boost internet speeds and bring more businesses and wealth into an area. More real competition needed in telecom industry.
It's a form of ADSL or SDSL that uses direct access into the main fibre network/backbone rather than the contested form we get for domestic access. It leaves the customer site via the local loop. Obviously you need something like DSLAM or 'fibre to site' to make it go quickly enough to matter. People like BT have rooms dedicated to their equipment and under their control on most large sites so they can offer services like this to their customers without huge fibre installation charges. Which means that the domestic customer subsidises fibre installations for large commercial customers...
Sorry, but private wire ('leased line') circuits do still exist be they copper pair or analogue over digital (AoD) on copper pair. How otherwise do you think you local taxi company or bus service get connection between their control and the remote radio site? Copper connection is usually four wires (i.e. uses two pairs) whereas AoD only needs one pair.
I think they're all digital now. I was under the impression that all the old 'four wire' stuff was out, but there may well be the odd legacy circuit somewhere. BT aren't an organisation that rips out stuff that is still earning them money for no good reason. I don't think you can buy a new four wire circuit.
Er, no? http://btbusiness.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10967/c/2116,2117,2124 http://btbusiness.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10969/c/2116,2117,2124
Good grief, I stand corrected. Who on earth would rent one of those? I suppose your hypothetical taxi company with an antiquated PMR system is one.
Actually taxi systems these days are anything but antiquated. They are mainly quite sophisticated data systems many using GPSK over a slightly modified base station that can also handle speech in the conventional way. Same goes for bus systems although they tend to be trunked radio on the end. I would however agree with alexd that some of the bigger outfits use VoIP as a means of getting speech and data to the radio site without degradation. You might also be surprised to learn that some local radio stations still use such lines for talkback or OB vehicles although most (BBC especially) are now moved to satellite for the broadcast path.
Bill wrote: In short that is what people mean by a leased line these days to avoid a 5 paragraph explanation.
Interestingly that's one I haven't yet come across. Around here everyone calls it Deeslam (For the BT DSLAM boxes dotted everywhere)
Bill wrote: Never heard any members of the public call it that either. Around here everyone calls anything uncontended a leased line.
Of course, and a PCP is a pepperoni cheese pizza, that's what everyone around here calls them. Can we stop posting in the OPs choice of newsgroups?
