Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by 7, Oct 26, 2014.

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    7 Guest

    Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?
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    This is attrocious. Bheetee are overcharging for leased lines
    by massive 50% or more.

    If they see competitors move into an area they will
    drop the price by 50%.

    But this is not how discounts are supposed to work
    for such a powerful company with total reach across UK!!!

    As a big busines with massive reach across then nation
    you might be entitled to charging 5% discount for biggest
    customers. The difference in the playing field should
    not have to be big to fund lavish lifestyles for Bhteee
    at the expense of preventing upgrades to a VERY LARGE
    number of businesses who could benefit from a 50% cut
    in tarriffs and upgrade their lines to compete with
    the rest of the world.

    Ofcon needs to get off their ass and most of their staff
    replaced with more business leaders who have vested
    interest in seeing the actual costs and prices that Bhteee
    has to deal with every day and setting
    the prices with low spread between the volume
    customers and smaller customers so that internet and data
    services keep up with the rest of the world.

    Once companies fall behind in international speeds, its not possible
    to repair the damage to lost business and infrastructure.

    So Parliament needs to investigate this immediately
    and deregulate again.

    Empower all municipalities to legally set up their own internet
    infrastructure with their own properly run corporations that
    boost internet speeds and bring more businesses and wealth into an area.

    More real competition needed in telecom industry.
     
    7, Oct 26, 2014
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    Bill Guest

    Assuming you mean what you say you mean and are complaining about
    leased lines used commercially by a single exclusive commercial user
    for telex and other wire communications, who still has them?
     
    Bill, Oct 26, 2014
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  3. You mean to say you actually read his shit?
    LOL
     
    Col. Edmund Burke, Oct 26, 2014
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    7 Guest

    Bill wrote:

    Then you assume wrong.

    Leased lines are used by companies to get their broadband and voip
    services together without having to pay a lot more for
    individual services.
     
    7, Oct 26, 2014
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    Bill Guest

    No, that's the 'local loop'

    A single twisted pair.

    Leased lines are ('were', I checked, they no longer exist in the UK)
    four wire circuits used for high speed telex.

    Commercial users are either on ADSL or lease a variety of digital
    services from ISDN 64 up to 'what speed do you want?', almost all of
    which are on fibre these days.
     
    Bill, Oct 26, 2014
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    7 Guest

    Col. Edmund Burke wrote:

    What a fscking internet troll!!!

    As you are just an internet troll, you are just going
    to have read the original post and weep:

    LOL!


    Bhteee overcharging for leased lines?
    -------------------------------------

    This is attrocious. Bheetee are overcharging for leased lines
    by massive 50% or more.

    If they see competitors move into an area they will
    drop the price by 50%.

    But this is not how discounts are supposed to work
    for such a powerful company with total reach across UK!!!

    As a big busines with massive reach across then nation
    you might be entitled to charging 5% discount for biggest
    customers. The difference in the playing field should
    not have to be big to fund lavish lifestyles for Bhteee
    at the expense of preventing upgrades to a VERY LARGE
    number of businesses who could benefit from a 50% cut
    in tarriffs and upgrade their lines to compete with
    the rest of the world.

    Ofcon needs to get off their ass and most of their staff
    replaced with more business leaders who have vested
    interest in seeing the actual costs and prices that Bhteee
    has to deal with every day and setting
    the prices with low spread between the volume
    customers and smaller customers so that internet and data
    services keep up with the rest of the world.

    Once companies fall behind in international speeds, its not possible
    to repair the damage to lost business and infrastructure.

    So Parliament needs to investigate this immediately
    and deregulate again.

    Empower all municipalities to legally set up their own internet
    infrastructure with their own properly run corporations that
    boost internet speeds and bring more businesses and wealth into an area.

    More real competition needed in telecom industry.
     
    7, Oct 26, 2014
    #6
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    7 Guest

    ?

    So what the fsck do you think is uncontended business broadband?
     
    7, Oct 26, 2014
    #7
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    Bill Guest

    It's a form of ADSL or SDSL that uses direct access into the main
    fibre network/backbone rather than the contested form we get for
    domestic access.

    It leaves the customer site via the local loop.

    Obviously you need something like DSLAM or 'fibre to site' to make it
    go quickly enough to matter.

    People like BT have rooms dedicated to their equipment and under their
    control on most large sites so they can offer services like this to
    their customers without huge fibre installation charges.

    Which means that the domestic customer subsidises fibre installations
    for large commercial customers...
     
    Bill, Oct 27, 2014
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    Woody Guest



    Sorry, but private wire ('leased line') circuits do still
    exist be they copper pair or analogue over digital (AoD) on
    copper pair. How otherwise do you think you local taxi
    company or bus service get connection between their control
    and the remote radio site? Copper connection is usually four
    wires (i.e. uses two pairs) whereas AoD only needs one pair.
     
    Woody, Oct 27, 2014
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    Bill Guest

    I think they're all digital now.

    I was under the impression that all the old 'four wire' stuff was out,
    but there may well be the odd legacy circuit somewhere. BT aren't an
    organisation that rips out stuff that is still earning them money for
    no good reason.

    I don't think you can buy a new four wire circuit.
     
    Bill, Oct 27, 2014
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    Woody Guest



    Er, no?

    http://btbusiness.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10967/c/2116,2117,2124

    http://btbusiness.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10969/c/2116,2117,2124
     
    Woody, Oct 27, 2014
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    Bill Guest

    Bill, Oct 27, 2014
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    Woody Guest



    Actually taxi systems these days are anything but
    antiquated. They are mainly quite sophisticated data systems
    many using GPSK over a slightly modified base station that
    can also handle speech in the conventional way. Same goes
    for bus systems although they tend to be trunked radio on
    the end.

    I would however agree with alexd that some of the bigger
    outfits use VoIP as a means of getting speech and data to
    the radio site without degradation.

    You might also be surprised to learn that some local radio
    stations still use such lines for talkback or OB vehicles
    although most (BBC especially) are now moved to satellite
    for the broadcast path.
     
    Woody, Oct 27, 2014
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    7 Guest

    Bill wrote:

    In short that is what people mean by a leased line these days
    to avoid a 5 paragraph explanation.
     
    7, Oct 28, 2014
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    Bill Guest

    The term 'leased line' has a specific technical meaning.
     
    Bill, Oct 29, 2014
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    Bill Guest

    Interestingly that's one I haven't yet come across.

    Around here everyone calls it Deeslam (For the BT DSLAM boxes dotted
    everywhere)
     
    Bill, Oct 29, 2014
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    7 Guest

    Bill wrote:


    Never heard any members of the public call it that either.

    Around here everyone calls anything uncontended a leased line.
     
    7, Oct 29, 2014
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    Graham. Guest

    Of course, and a PCP is a pepperoni cheese pizza, that's what everyone
    around here calls them.


    Can we stop posting in the OPs choice of newsgroups?
     
    Graham., Nov 4, 2014
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