ADSL faceplate for fibre?

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Gareth, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. Gareth

    Gareth Guest

    I have an ADSL Nation faceplate for a master socket - it seems to work well
    and upped my ADSL from 1.5 to 3.5.

    I've gone for a VDSL upgrade and I'm wondering if I can just keep the ADSL
    Nation faceplate instead of having a BT Openreach faceplate installed.

    I've read mixed reviews on this - some people say it is fine and others say
    not.

    I can't see much difference in the specs of the two faceplates (except for
    price) and I wonder if the main reason for standard fitting of a fibre
    faceplate is that many people don't already have a ADSL faceplate fitted.
     
    Gareth, Jan 1, 2013
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  2. Gareth

    Graham. Guest

    It's imperative you get their approved NTE fitted, even if it's for
    purely administrative reasons of demarcation, and to avoid the risk of
    being charged to regularise an installation that could have been made
    compliant at no extra cost.

    By the way, I would be interested to see the comparative data you have
    for VDSL vs ADSL faceplates.
     
    Graham., Jan 1, 2013
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  3. Gareth

    Gareth Guest

    "Graham." wrote in message
    Hmm, yes, I can see that being a problem.

    Is it correct that the VDSL faceplate used by BT does not isolate extension
    wiring - that I will have to use DSL filters on extensions? The ADSL Nation
    faceplate filters the extension wiring at source.
    Not much of it out there. It just looks as if the VDSL filter doesn't
    contain anything the old one didn't.
     
    Gareth, Jan 1, 2013
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  4. Gareth

    Gareth Guest

    "alexd" wrote in message news:kbvjki$vmt$...
    Since posting I read that some people did manage to keep their ADSL Nation
    faceplate filter during a fibre installation - in one case it passed testing
    with flying colours!

    I'll ask.

    I don't really want a wiring downgrade and the fuss of filters on each
    phone.

    Reverting back to ADSL would also be a nuisance. Wiring the faceplate was a
    challenge for someone with no previous experience.
     
    Gareth, Jan 1, 2013
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  5. I was under the impression that it *does* isolate extension wiring?
     
    Plusnet Support Team, Jan 2, 2013
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  6. Gareth

    Mark Carver Guest

    Yes it does, because of course the BT VDSL modem must be connected, and
    situated close to the Master Socket. They will relocate (within reason) the
    Master Socket to where you'd like it.

    Just flog your ADSL faceplate on ebay etc ?
     
    Mark Carver, Jan 2, 2013
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  7. Gareth

    Gareth Guest

    "Plusnet Support Team" wrote in message
    I think it only isolates the modem connection. It doesn't isolate
    extensions. At least this is what I have read.

    The ADSL Nation faceplate is also hard wired in to the extension wiring and
    so the extension is filtered to.
     
    Gareth, Jan 2, 2013
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  8. Gareth

    Gareth Guest

    "Mark Carver" wrote in message news:...
    What I have read suggests that the BT faceplate is not hard wired in to
    extension wiring - it just splits the master socket in to a filtered feed
    and an unfiltered feed for extensions.

    If this is the case then it is not an elegant solution. It would mean going
    back to bloody awful filters on extension sockets.

    I see that some people have had success in keeping their extension wiring.

    If not I will just have to do my own work again when the engineer leaves ;-)

    That's if I can remember how to do it :-/
     
    Gareth, Jan 3, 2013
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  9. cant be. the modem is the only thing NOT isolated in a *DSL connection.

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    The Natural Philosopher, Jan 3, 2013
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  10. Gareth

    Mark Carver Guest

    Not in my house it isn't, the VDSL signal is only available at the
    Master Socket, the extension sockets (hard wired to the back of the BT
    VDSL faceplate) receive a filtered line.
     
    Mark Carver, Jan 3, 2013
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  11. Gareth

    Gareth Guest

    "Mark Carver" wrote in message news:akkq73F7cjcU1@ mid.individual.net...
    Yes, I can see it here:

    http://www.run-it-direct.co.uk/btvdslfaceplate.html

    I realise my ADSL Nation faceplate doesn't have the inter-changeable bottom
    segment of the plate - it's rather a fixed moulded and angled unit.

    So it will be more work to replace it with a standard lower segment BT
    faceplate.

    I bet it will just be left where it is.
     
    Gareth, Jan 3, 2013
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  12. Gareth

    kraftee Guest

    You won' have any wiring downgrade as the fit will be done to where
    ever your NTE is, if you need that moving the engineer who visits
    _should_ move it for you (push them if they say they can't).

    So you will have little if anything to gain by continued use of the
    ADSL Nation socket/filter always remembering if you do that will be
    the first thing 'jumped' on if you have any type of line problem in
    the future.

    Oh and you won't require any filtering on any other socket either (if
    it's done peoperly of course).
     
    kraftee, Jan 3, 2013
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  13. Gareth

    Mark Carver Guest

    I bet it won't be, in my house he ripped the existing master socket off the
    wall, and replaced the lot with a brand new Master Socket carcass/filter, and
    handed back my ADSL faceplate, before chucking the remains of the old MS into
    the back of the van.
     
    Mark Carver, Jan 3, 2013
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  14. its usually easier to replace than modify, in most fitment type situations..


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    lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
    members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
    rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
    diminishing number of producers.
     
    The Natural Philosopher, Jan 4, 2013
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    Andy Wade Guest

    Don't believe all you read then. The whole idea of the filtered
    faceplates is that they act as a single central low-pass filter for all
    the voice-frequency wiring and equipment.

    There are now two versions of the ADSL unit - the original one which has
    a 3-terminal IDC connector for the extension wiring (filtered line pair
    plus filtered 'bell wire') and the newer type with a 6-way IDC which
    also makes available the unfiltered line pair so you can run a dedicated
    unfiltered pair to the modem. On the original type the modem connection
    has to be via the RJ11 socket on the front, as that's the only place
    that the unfiltered line is available. The 6-way IDC version allows for
    a neater hardwired run if the modem is remote from the NTE.

    On both versions the IDC terminals provided for extension *phone* wiring
    is most definitely filtered. If it weren't you'd need a micro-filter on
    each populated extension, which would rather defeat the whole object of
    a central filter.

    Further reading:

    http://www1.btwebworld.com/sinet/346v2p10.pdf
    www.presscomm.co.uk/pdf/Pressac_Brochure_AW.pdf
     
    Andy Wade, Jan 5, 2013
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