A simple PAYG SIP service?

Discussion in 'Broadband' started by Peter, Jul 4, 2015.

  1. Peter

    Peter Guest

    I used to use DIDlogic with my Nokia phones and, after some torturous
    support issues to get the config right, it worked great with the VOIP
    functionality built into Symbian.

    I never got it working for incoming calls, properly, because Nokias
    never had the keep-alive processes needed to keep NAT holes etc etc
    open.

    But I need outgoing calls only, and need to present my UK mobile
    number, which DIDlogic did fine.

    Now I have a Samsung S6 (android) and using Csipsimple which is one of
    the most popular VOIP apps.

    But I am unable to make it work. It *may* be logging in, but DID
    changed their web control panel to no longer show whether you are
    logged in so I cannot tell, and I cannot make any calls. But I get no
    more login error messages.

    And DID have blacklisted me from continued tech support... they seem
    to have a quota on emails and then cut you off.

    Can anyone recommend another good PAYG service which actually works?

    I have tried VOIPdiscount but they would not connect to people I tried
    to call in Germany and France. Eventually I got some of my money back.
    They later claimed they fixed it...

    I don't want a VOIP firm which forces you install their own app. Those
    are nearly always horrible.

    Many thanks for any tips.
     
    Peter, Jul 4, 2015
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  2. I did, although incoming can be problematical.
    Yes Voipfone.
     
    R. Mark Clayton, Jul 4, 2015
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  3. Peter

    7 Guest


    I use the Tesco mobile capped phones.
    No chance of running up unwanted bills.

    Then I use localphone.com to make voip calls.
    They can issue you with numbers anywhere in the world
    and direct it to your phone. So someone in HK can call
    you on your HK number and you get it in UK.

    They do an Android appp that works well with their
    Voip service. It in the google play store.
    Just search for it.
    This app doesn't seem to auto login whenever
    the phone goes off and on. So take care of that "feature"
    by signing back in every time the power is cycled on the phone.
    Good for wifi based voip.

    I think EE now routes calls through wifi as well
    saving air time - which is long overdue.
     
    7, Jul 4, 2015
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  4. Peter

    Peter Guest

    I am sure you are correct.

    The technology is obviously VOIP but the billing is the same as GSM :)

    Also wifi calling requires the phone to come from the EE or whatever
    phone shop. A sim-free one from say Amazon will never do wifi calling,
    unless you flash it with the appropriate phone shop branded firmware,
    or maybe do some hacks (obviously involving rooting.

    My S6 is rooted (first thing I did, to get e.g. full backups) but I
    haven't yet spent time finding out how to enable Voda wifi calling -
    when they get around to enabling it.
     
    Peter, Jul 6, 2015
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  5. For the phone network's WiFi calling. WiFi calling will work with things
    like Google Hangouts and Facebook Messenger.
     
    Graham Murray, Jul 7, 2015
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  6. Peter

    Graham. Guest

    My mobile has a SIP app that is an extention of my home PABX.
    I have set it to only connect via wi-fi.
    If someone calls me on my landline or VoIP numbers I can pick the call
    up as if I was at home, and of course I can make calls through the
    system.

    When out of range of wi-fi I can forward the calls to my mobile
    number, at less than 1p/min it's not that painful.
     
    Graham., Jul 7, 2015
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  7. Peter

    Peter Guest

    That's neat.

    It reminds me of ISDN (we have it at work) where you can program an
    extension to ring another number.

    (yes we do have the PBX remote admin disabled ;))

    But you can't do it with your mobile number. No way to virtualise a UK
    mobile #, currently. Only the network you are with can do that - hence
    wifi calling.

    Why they limit it to their own brand phones I have no idea.
     
    Peter, Jul 8, 2015
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  8. Peter

    Mark Carver Guest

    I don't think so ? I've got an iphone 6, it supports WiFi calling as a
    standard, I'm pretty sure iphones are not rooted in any way to enable or
    disable WiFi calling, that's at SIM/account level ?

    I'm sure it's the same with Android phones ?
     
    Mark Carver, Jul 9, 2015
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  9. Peter

    Mark Carver Guest

    That's exactly what happens IME. However, EE's wifi calls can only be
    made over Wifi connections that have a UK IP address, (before we all get
    excited at the possibility of making/receiving calls abroad, and
    by-passing roaming charges !)
     
    Mark Carver, Jul 9, 2015
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  10. Peter

    Graham. Guest

    I can just about see some merit in your callers being able to contact
    you on your mobile number while you are in a tube station, but no way
    would I want to make a VoIP call, and be charged mobile network's
    rates, when I can use a generic app like CSipSimple and an account
    with a cheap provider like discountvoip.co.uk and make calls to
    mobiles for less than 1p/min and still present my mobile number as
    CLID.
     
    Graham., Jul 9, 2015
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  11. Peter

    Mark Carver Guest

    That's not the purpose of this scheme. It's simply to enable you
    to be able to make and receive calls, and texts, in the usual manner,
    using a WiFi connection, rather than the 2, 3 or 4G network.

    It's nothing more than the logical extension of the 3G micro cells
    you can buy (or be issued with) if your home or office has poor or
    non existent network reception.

    The phone transparently switches from a 2,3, or 4G signal to Wifi, when
    it detects a WiFi network, though handover to and from while on a call
    still seems to be work in progress.

    If you want to use your mobile handset, to make and receive calls and
    texts outside of your mobile supplier's network, then that's a different
    kettle of fish, and there are many ways to achieve that.

    I see this as suppliamental to things like Whatsapp, Viber, and
    Facetime, not a replacement.
     
    Mark Carver, Jul 9, 2015
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  12. You can port a mobile number out, so I don't see why it could not be virtualised.

    You can certainly arrange to VOIP out as if from your mobile - you just send a scan of your bill to the Voip provider and then you can selected it as the CLI.
     
    R. Mark Clayton, Jul 10, 2015
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  13. Peter

    Graham. Guest

    With the Dellmont (Betamax) providers I use, you don't even have to do
    that.

    When you register a new number to use as CLI, they automatically call
    or SMS the number and give you a 4 digit code to use as part of the
    registration. The whole process takes less than a minute.
     
    Graham., Jul 10, 2015
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  14. Peter

    Peter Guest

    You can transfer a mobile number but I am sure it cannot be
    virtualised like geographical numbers can be these days.
    Sure; that's no problem.
     
    Peter, Jul 12, 2015
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  15. Yes, but a Voipfone geographic number can be used abroad...

    Even then you could VPN it.
     
    R. Mark Clayton, Jul 14, 2015
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