XP/ME Network problem

I have two machines that I would like to network using a crossover cable but
am having problems.

Basically, I can't get the 2 Machines to see each other.

I have run Network Setup wizards to no avail. I have scoured the net for a
way to solve my problems and tried numerous suggestions, still no luck.

Many places on the Net state that setting up a simple network between two
Windows machines using a crossover cable is easy!!! I have considered buying
a Hub but for all I know (not a lot but learning fast) I may well be no
better off. Any suggestions would be most welcome.

Here are the details:



Machine 1

OS: XP Home



NIC:

VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adaptor (built into the Motherboard).

Selecting properties of the NIC in Device Manager, the settings are as
follows:

Advanced Tab:

Adaptive Interrupt: Enabled

Connection Type: Auto-Negotiation

Flow Control: Hardware Default (Auto)

Network Address: Not Present

Receive Buffers: 64

Transmit Buffers: 64



When viewed through Network Connections it shows:

Name: Local Area Connection

Type: LAN or High-Speed Internet

Status: Connected

Device Name: VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adaptor



If I right-click on this it shows the following Local Area Connection
Properties:

General Tab: Client for Microsoft Networks (ticked)



File & Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
(ticked)



Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) (ticked)

Properties for this are:

Use the following IP Address: (Selected)

IP Address: 192.168.0.1

Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway: Blank



Use the following DNS server address: (Selected)

Preferred DNS Server: Blank

Alternate DNS Server: Blank



Authentication Tab: Enable IEEE 802.1x. (ticked)

EAP Type: Smart Card or other
certificate

Authenticate as computer when computer
information is available (ticked)

Authenticate as guest when user or
computer is unavailable (ticked)



Full Computer Name: MACHINE1

Workgroup: MACHINES



IPCONFIG Results:

Windows IP Configuration:

Host Name: Machine1

Primary DNS Suffix: Blank

Node Type: Unknown

IP Routing Enabled: No

WINS Proxy Enabled: No



Ethernet adaptor Local Area Connection:

Description: VIA Rhine II Fast
Ethernet Adaptor

DHCP Enabled: No

IP Address: 192.168.0.1

Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway: Blank





Various drives/folders are set as Shared

Firewall is off.



This machine also has a ADSL Broadband Internet connection via a USB Modem

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Machine 2

OS: WinME



NIC:

SMC EZ Card 10/100 (SMC1211TX)



When I select Network within Control Panel the following is displayed:

Configuration Tab: Client for Microsoft Networks.

Properties for this are: Logon and
restore Network connections (selected)



Microsoft Family Logon



SMC EZ Card 10/100 (SMC1211TX)

Properties for this are:

Driver Type Tab. Click the type of the
network driver to use:

All greyed out - nothing selected

Bindings Tab: TCP/IP (ticked)

Advanced Tab: Link Speed/Duplex Mode: Auto Mode

Network Address: Not present



TCP/IP

Properties for this are:

IP Address Tab: Specify an IP Address (selected)

IP Address: 192.168.0.2

Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0

WINS Config Tab: Disable WINS Resolution

Gateway Tab: All Blank

DNS Config Tab: Disable DNS

NetBIOS Tab: All greyed out but 'I want to enable NetBIOS over
TCP/IP protocol' is selected

Advanced Tab: Allow binding to ATM. Yes is selected

Bindings Tab: Client for Microsoft Networks (ticked)

File and Printer sharing for MS Networks
(ticked)

MS Family Logon (ticked)



File and Printer sharing for MS Networks

Properties for this are:

Browse Master: Automatic

LM Announce: No



Full Computer Name: MACHINE2

Workgroup: MACHINES



Various drives/folders are set as Shared

Firewall is off.



IPCONFIG Results:

Windows IP Configuration:

Host Name: Machine1

DNS Servers: Blank

Node Type: Broadcast

NetBIOS Scope ID: Blank

IP Routing Enabled: No

WINS Proxy Enabled: No

NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS: No



0 Ethernet Adaptor:

Description: NDIS 5.0 driver

DHCP Enabled: No

IP Address: 192.168.0.2

Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0

Default Gateway: Blank

Primary WINS Server: Blank

Secondary WINS Server: Blank

www.careyholzman.com/net1.htm

Carey

"Ben Hardy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:cqq4fc$93f$(E-Mail Removed)...
>I have two machines that I would like to network using a crossover cable
>but am having problems.
>
> Basically, I can't get the 2 Machines to see each other.
>
> I have run Network Setup wizards to no avail. I have scoured the net for a
> way to solve my problems and tried numerous suggestions, still no luck.
>
> Many places on the Net state that setting up a simple network between two
> Windows machines using a crossover cable is easy!!! I have considered
> buying a Hub but for all I know (not a lot but learning fast) I may well
> be no better off. Any suggestions would be most welcome.
>
> Here are the details:
>
>
>
> Machine 1
>
> OS: XP Home
>
>
>
> NIC:
>
> VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adaptor (built into the Motherboard).
>
> Selecting properties of the NIC in Device Manager, the settings are as
> follows:
>
> Advanced Tab:
>
> Adaptive Interrupt: Enabled
>
> Connection Type: Auto-Negotiation
>
> Flow Control: Hardware Default (Auto)
>
> Network Address: Not Present
>
> Receive Buffers: 64
>
> Transmit Buffers: 64
>
>
>
> When viewed through Network Connections it shows:
>
> Name: Local Area Connection
>
> Type: LAN or High-Speed Internet
>
> Status: Connected
>
> Device Name: VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adaptor
>
>
>
> If I right-click on this it shows the following Local Area Connection
> Properties:
>
> General Tab: Client for Microsoft Networks (ticked)
>
>
>
> File & Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
> (ticked)
>
>
>
> Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) (ticked)
>
> Properties for this are:
>
> Use the following IP Address: (Selected)
>
> IP Address: 192.168.0.1
>
> Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
>
> Default Gateway: Blank
>
>
>
> Use the following DNS server address: (Selected)
>
> Preferred DNS Server: Blank
>
> Alternate DNS Server: Blank
>
>
>
> Authentication Tab: Enable IEEE 802.1x. (ticked)
>
> EAP Type: Smart Card or other
> certificate
>
> Authenticate as computer when computer
> information is available (ticked)
>
> Authenticate as guest when user or
> computer is unavailable (ticked)
>
>
>
> Full Computer Name: MACHINE1
>
> Workgroup: MACHINES
>
>
>
> IPCONFIG Results:
>
> Windows IP Configuration:
>
> Host Name: Machine1
>
> Primary DNS Suffix: Blank
>
> Node Type: Unknown
>
> IP Routing Enabled: No
>
> WINS Proxy Enabled: No
>
>
>
> Ethernet adaptor Local Area Connection:
>
> Description: VIA Rhine II Fast
> Ethernet Adaptor
>
> DHCP Enabled: No
>
> IP Address: 192.168.0.1
>
> Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
>
> Default Gateway: Blank
>
>
>
>
>
> Various drives/folders are set as Shared
>
> Firewall is off.
>
>
>
> This machine also has a ADSL Broadband Internet connection via a USB Modem
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Machine 2
>
> OS: WinME
>
>
>
> NIC:
>
> SMC EZ Card 10/100 (SMC1211TX)
>
>
>
> When I select Network within Control Panel the following is displayed:
>
> Configuration Tab: Client for Microsoft Networks.
>
> Properties for this are: Logon and
> restore Network connections (selected)
>
>
>
> Microsoft Family Logon
>
>
>
> SMC EZ Card 10/100 (SMC1211TX)
>
> Properties for this are:
>
> Driver Type Tab. Click the type of the
> network driver to use:
>
> All greyed out - nothing selected
>
> Bindings Tab: TCP/IP (ticked)
>
> Advanced Tab: Link Speed/Duplex Mode: Auto Mode
>
> Network Address: Not present
>
>
>
> TCP/IP
>
> Properties for this are:
>
> IP Address Tab: Specify an IP Address (selected)
>
> IP Address: 192.168.0.2
>
> Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
>
> WINS Config Tab: Disable WINS Resolution
>
> Gateway Tab: All Blank
>
> DNS Config Tab: Disable DNS
>
> NetBIOS Tab: All greyed out but 'I want to enable NetBIOS over
> TCP/IP protocol' is selected
>
> Advanced Tab: Allow binding to ATM. Yes is selected
>
> Bindings Tab: Client for Microsoft Networks (ticked)
>
> File and Printer sharing for MS
> Networks (ticked)
>
> MS Family Logon (ticked)
>
>
>
> File and Printer sharing for MS Networks
>
> Properties for this are:
>
> Browse Master: Automatic
>
> LM Announce: No
>
>
>
> Full Computer Name: MACHINE2
>
> Workgroup: MACHINES
>
>
>
> Various drives/folders are set as Shared
>
> Firewall is off.
>
>
>
> IPCONFIG Results:
>
> Windows IP Configuration:
>
> Host Name: Machine1
>
> DNS Servers: Blank
>
> Node Type: Broadcast
>
> NetBIOS Scope ID: Blank
>
> IP Routing Enabled: No
>
> WINS Proxy Enabled: No
>
> NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS: No
>
>
>
> 0 Ethernet Adaptor:
>
> Description: NDIS 5.0 driver
>
> DHCP Enabled: No
>
> IP Address: 192.168.0.2
>
> Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
>
> Default Gateway: Blank
>
> Primary WINS Server: Blank
>
> Secondary WINS Server: Blank
>

In article <cqq4fc$93f$(E-Mail Removed)>, Ben Hardy says...

> I have two machines that I would like to network using a crossover cable but
> am having problems.

> Basically, I can't get the 2 Machines to see each other.

> I have run Network Setup wizards to no avail. I have scoured the net for a
> way to solve my problems and tried numerous suggestions, still no luck.

> Many places on the Net state that setting up a simple network between two
> Windows machines using a crossover cable is easy!!! I have considered buying
> a Hub but for all I know (not a lot but learning fast) I may well be no
> better off. Any suggestions would be most welcome.

From your comments about a USB ADSL modem I assume that you also have ICS
set up, with the Windows XP computer as the "gateway" computer. That is
unfortunate; for sharing an Interenet connection a broadband router is the
preferred way to go, but that requires an Ethernet ADSL modem. Anyway, that
really isn't the problem. There is an extremely small chance that a cross
over cable won't work to connect to computers. Those cables were designed
for linking hubs and switches; connecting two computers should be done with
a hub, or a switch. Most broadband routers incorporate a switch; but they
only work with Ethernet modems.

Anyway, your problem isn't the Internet connection, but the basic ability of
the computers to communicate. I see one setting on your Windows Me computer
which differs from mine; on the TCP/IP Propteries "advanced" tab you have
"Allow Binding to ATM" set to "Yes". On my computer this is set to "No". Try
changing that; but wait! I am not done, yet...

I see no mention of the setting for the "browsemaster". This is found on the
"File and printer sharing for Microsoft Networks" properties, the
"advanced" tab. Try setting that to "disabled" on the Windows Me computer.
While you're at it, make sure that the "LM Announce" setting is at "No".

It seems that it can take up to 15 minutes after starting the computers
until the network can sort out which computer should be the "Browsemaster".
In your case I am pretty certain that should be the Windows XP computer.
But, if the Windows Me computer is not set to "disabled", that computer will
establish itself as the "browsemaster", which can then interfere with the
Windows XP computer.

When the Windows Me computer "browsemaster" setting is "disabled", give your
network about twenty minutes, then try and see if they can see each other.

Other than that, I am guessing that you took your "ipconfig" readings while
disconnected from the Internet. I saw no gateway IP addresses. With an
Internet connection, the Windows XP gateway IP address should match your ISP
connection IP address, while your Windows Me gateway IP address should be
the same as the Windows XP LAN IP address; I.e., 192.168.0.1. Both computers
should have DNS server IP addresses which match those of your ISP.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

I have both at home and had a similar problem because of zone alarm on both
computers. If ZA is at it's weakest settings or off it works. Mine are
behind a router firewall so it's not a problem for me (I think.) Hope this
helps.


"Ben Hardy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:cqq4fc$93f$(E-Mail Removed)...
>I have two machines that I would like to network using a crossover cable
>but am having problems.
>
> Basically, I can't get the 2 Machines to see each other.
>
> I have run Network Setup wizards to no avail. I have scoured the net for a
> way to solve my problems and tried numerous suggestions, still no luck.
>
> Many places on the Net state that setting up a simple network between two
> Windows machines using a crossover cable is easy!!! I have considered
> buying a Hub but for all I know (not a lot but learning fast) I may well
> be no better off. Any suggestions would be most welcome.
>
> Here are the details:
>
>
>
> Machine 1
>
> OS: XP Home
>
>
>
> NIC:
>
> VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adaptor (built into the Motherboard).
>
> Selecting properties of the NIC in Device Manager, the settings are as
> follows:
>
> Advanced Tab:
>
> Adaptive Interrupt: Enabled
>
> Connection Type: Auto-Negotiation
>
> Flow Control: Hardware Default (Auto)
>
> Network Address: Not Present
>
> Receive Buffers: 64
>
> Transmit Buffers: 64
>
>
>
> When viewed through Network Connections it shows:
>
> Name: Local Area Connection
>
> Type: LAN or High-Speed Internet
>
> Status: Connected
>
> Device Name: VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adaptor
>
>
>
> If I right-click on this it shows the following Local Area Connection
> Properties:
>
> General Tab: Client for Microsoft Networks (ticked)
>
>
>
> File & Printer Sharing for Microsoft Networks
> (ticked)
>
>
>
> Internet Protocol (TCP/IP) (ticked)
>
> Properties for this are:
>
> Use the following IP Address: (Selected)
>
> IP Address: 192.168.0.1
>
> Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
>
> Default Gateway: Blank
>
>
>
> Use the following DNS server address: (Selected)
>
> Preferred DNS Server: Blank
>
> Alternate DNS Server: Blank
>
>
>
> Authentication Tab: Enable IEEE 802.1x. (ticked)
>
> EAP Type: Smart Card or other
> certificate
>
> Authenticate as computer when computer
> information is available (ticked)
>
> Authenticate as guest when user or
> computer is unavailable (ticked)
>
>
>
> Full Computer Name: MACHINE1
>
> Workgroup: MACHINES
>
>
>
> IPCONFIG Results:
>
> Windows IP Configuration:
>
> Host Name: Machine1
>
> Primary DNS Suffix: Blank
>
> Node Type: Unknown
>
> IP Routing Enabled: No
>
> WINS Proxy Enabled: No
>
>
>
> Ethernet adaptor Local Area Connection:
>
> Description: VIA Rhine II Fast
> Ethernet Adaptor
>
> DHCP Enabled: No
>
> IP Address: 192.168.0.1
>
> Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
>
> Default Gateway: Blank
>
>
>
>
>
> Various drives/folders are set as Shared
>
> Firewall is off.
>
>
>
> This machine also has a ADSL Broadband Internet connection via a USB Modem
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> Machine 2
>
> OS: WinME
>
>
>
> NIC:
>
> SMC EZ Card 10/100 (SMC1211TX)
>
>
>
> When I select Network within Control Panel the following is displayed:
>
> Configuration Tab: Client for Microsoft Networks.
>
> Properties for this are: Logon and
> restore Network connections (selected)
>
>
>
> Microsoft Family Logon
>
>
>
> SMC EZ Card 10/100 (SMC1211TX)
>
> Properties for this are:
>
> Driver Type Tab. Click the type of the
> network driver to use:
>
> All greyed out - nothing selected
>
> Bindings Tab: TCP/IP (ticked)
>
> Advanced Tab: Link Speed/Duplex Mode: Auto Mode
>
> Network Address: Not present
>
>
>
> TCP/IP
>
> Properties for this are:
>
> IP Address Tab: Specify an IP Address (selected)
>
> IP Address: 192.168.0.2
>
> Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
>
> WINS Config Tab: Disable WINS Resolution
>
> Gateway Tab: All Blank
>
> DNS Config Tab: Disable DNS
>
> NetBIOS Tab: All greyed out but 'I want to enable NetBIOS over
> TCP/IP protocol' is selected
>
> Advanced Tab: Allow binding to ATM. Yes is selected
>
> Bindings Tab: Client for Microsoft Networks (ticked)
>
> File and Printer sharing for MS
> Networks (ticked)
>
> MS Family Logon (ticked)
>
>
>
> File and Printer sharing for MS Networks
>
> Properties for this are:
>
> Browse Master: Automatic
>
> LM Announce: No
>
>
>
> Full Computer Name: MACHINE2
>
> Workgroup: MACHINES
>
>
>
> Various drives/folders are set as Shared
>
> Firewall is off.
>
>
>
> IPCONFIG Results:
>
> Windows IP Configuration:
>
> Host Name: Machine1
>
> DNS Servers: Blank
>
> Node Type: Broadcast
>
> NetBIOS Scope ID: Blank
>
> IP Routing Enabled: No
>
> WINS Proxy Enabled: No
>
> NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS: No
>
>
>
> 0 Ethernet Adaptor:
>
> Description: NDIS 5.0 driver
>
> DHCP Enabled: No
>
> IP Address: 192.168.0.2
>
> Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
>
> Default Gateway: Blank
>
> Primary WINS Server: Blank
>
> Secondary WINS Server: Blank
>

In article <UgIAd.21505$vF5.6809@trndny07>, Fred says...

> I have both at home and had a similar problem because of zone alarm on both
> computers. If ZA is at it's weakest settings or off it works. Mine are
> behind a router firewall so it's not a problem for me (I think.) Hope this
> helps.

Did you not put your LAN IP address range in ZA's trusted zone? I don't know
if it wants the netmask (typically 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0), or an IP
address range (typically 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.255).

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

Sure didn't. Can you do this on the free version? If so how?


"N. Miller" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> In article <UgIAd.21505$vF5.6809@trndny07>, Fred says...
>
>> I have both at home and had a similar problem because of zone alarm on
>> both
>> computers. If ZA is at it's weakest settings or off it works. Mine are
>> behind a router firewall so it's not a problem for me (I think.) Hope
>> this
>> helps.
>
> Did you not put your LAN IP address range in ZA's trusted zone? I don't
> know
> if it wants the netmask (typically 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0), or an IP
> address range (typically 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.1.255).
>
> --
> Norman
> ~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
> ~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
> ~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

In article <rFYAd.8844$sh5.8002@trndny08>, Fred says...

> Sure didn't. Can you do this on the free version? If so how?

I haven't used ZAF since I discovered that it won't offer full protection on
an ICS host. Although I switched from using ICS to using a router when I
went to ADSL service, I just stayed with the firewall that worked for me;
for the outbound coverage.

I am pretty sure that there is a way to add your LAN IP address range so ZAF
will trust it, but I just can't remember how I did it. Hopefully, somebody
who does know will come along; or, explore all of the ZAF configuration
menus. If you do find a setting, and it works, post back to this thread for
the benefit of other ZAF users.

--
Norman
~Win dain a lotica, En vai tu ri, Si lo ta
~Fin dein a loluca, En dragu a sei lain
~Vi fa-ru les shutai am, En riga-lint

On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:10:43 GMT,N. Miller
<(E-Mail Removed)> penned this whopper in
microsoft.public.windowsme.networking

> In article <rFYAd.8844$sh5.8002@trndny08>, Fred says...
>
>> Sure didn't. Can you do this on the free version? If so how?
>
> I haven't used ZAF since I discovered that it won't offer full
> protection on an ICS host. Although I switched from using ICS to using
> a router when I went to ADSL service, I just stayed with the firewall
> that worked for me; for the outbound coverage.
>
> I am pretty sure that there is a way to add your LAN IP address range
> so ZAF will trust it, but I just can't remember how I did it.
> Hopefully, somebody who does know will come along; or, explore all of
> the ZAF configuration menus. If you do find a setting, and it works,
> post back to this thread for the benefit of other ZAF users.
>

IIRC, the only difference between ZAP and ZAF was that you have to add the
address range manually.

--
"Time will bring to light whatever is hidden;
it will cover up and conceal what is now shining in splendor."
Horace (65 - 8 BC); Roman poet.

Mike