XP File Sharing

I am running XP Home behind a NAT Router, I also have an older Win98
machine.

Viewing some file sharing properties I noted that my Win98 system allows
a password to be set for file read and/or writing.

On my XP Home system I cannot find a password option, is this available
on XP Home?

Geoff Lane

"Geoff Lane" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>I am running XP Home behind a NAT Router, I also have an older Win98
>machine.
>
> Viewing some file sharing properties I noted that my Win98 system allows a
> password to be set for file read and/or writing.
>
> On my XP Home system I cannot find a password option, is this available on
> XP Home?

No, sadly it isn't. For some reason, Microsoft decided to take share-level
security out of XP Home. To get read/write password security, you need to XP
Pro and the file/folder-level security - but to do that you get into the
realms of having identical user names on all machines - and maybe a domain
controller with a central user accounts database to ensure that a given user
has a domain-wide security ID (SID), which is overkill for a home network.

Share-level security was less secure than file-level, but it is better than
nothing: often on a home network what you want is to discourage casual
opportunistic use rather than to keep out the determined hacker. Or else you
want to allow read access to everyone but restrict write/delete access to
those who know the password. All that XP Home allows you is read access for
everyone and (if desired) write access for everyone.

Martin Underwood wrote:
> "Geoff Lane" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:erqftn$rke$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I am running XP Home behind a NAT Router, I also have an older Win98
>> machine.
>>
>> Viewing some file sharing properties I noted that my Win98 system allows a
>> password to be set for file read and/or writing.
>>
>> On my XP Home system I cannot find a password option, is this available on
>> XP Home?
>
> No, sadly it isn't. For some reason, Microsoft decided to take share-level
> security out of XP Home. To get read/write password security, you need to XP
> Pro and the file/folder-level security - but to do that you get into the
> realms of having identical user names on all machines - and maybe a domain
> controller with a central user accounts database to ensure that a given user
> has a domain-wide security ID (SID), which is overkill for a home network.
>
> Share-level security was less secure than file-level, but it is better than
> nothing: often on a home network what you want is to discourage casual
> opportunistic use rather than to keep out the determined hacker. Or else you
> want to allow read access to everyone but restrict write/delete access to
> those who know the password. All that XP Home allows you is read access for
> everyone and (if desired) write access for everyone.
>
>
It is possible to set user permissions on folders in XP Home, but you
have to delve into command line operations. The command is cacls.
However, you will need to have the same user details on both systems for
this to be effective.

PeeGee
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"PeeGee" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Martin Underwood wrote:
>> "Geoff Lane" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:erqftn$rke$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> I am running XP Home behind a NAT Router, I also have an older Win98
>>> machine.
>>>
>>> Viewing some file sharing properties I noted that my Win98 system allows
>>> a password to be set for file read and/or writing.
>>>
>>> On my XP Home system I cannot find a password option, is this available
>>> on XP Home?
>>
>> No, sadly it isn't. For some reason, Microsoft decided to take
>> share-level security out of XP Home. To get read/write password security,
>> you need to XP Pro and the file/folder-level security - but to do that
>> you get into the realms of having identical user names on all machines -
>> and maybe a domain controller with a central user accounts database to
>> ensure that a given user has a domain-wide security ID (SID), which is
>> overkill for a home network.
>>
>> Share-level security was less secure than file-level, but it is better
>> than nothing: often on a home network what you want is to discourage
>> casual opportunistic use rather than to keep out the determined hacker.
>> Or else you want to allow read access to everyone but restrict
>> write/delete access to those who know the password. All that XP Home
>> allows you is read access for everyone and (if desired) write access for
>> everyone.
> It is possible to set user permissions on folders in XP Home, but you have
> to delve into command line operations. The command is cacls. However, you
> will need to have the same user details on both systems for this to be
> effective.

Oh, I never knew that! So XP Home supports file permissions but (unlike Pro)
doesn't have the GUI to make it easy to set them? I was thinking that it
didn't support the permissions in the first place.

On 25 Feb, 12:28, PeeGee <tries...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Martin Underwood wrote:
> > "Geoff Lane" <datemasde....@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
> >news:erqftn$rke$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> I am running XP Home behind a NAT Router, I also have an older Win98
> >> machine.
>
> >> Viewing some file sharing properties I noted that my Win98 system allows a
> >> password to be set for file read and/or writing.
>
> >> On my XP Home system I cannot find a password option, is this available on
> >> XP Home?
>
> > No, sadly it isn't. For some reason, Microsoft decided to take share-level
> > security out of XP Home. To get read/write password security, you need to XP
> > Pro and the file/folder-level security - but to do that you get into the
> > realms of having identical user names on all machines - and maybe a domain
> > controller with a central user accounts database to ensure that a given user
> > has a domain-wide security ID (SID), which is overkill for a home network.
>
> > Share-level security was less secure than file-level, but it is better than
> > nothing: often on a home network what you want is to discourage casual
> > opportunistic use rather than to keep out the determined hacker. Or else you
> > want to allow read access to everyone but restrict write/delete access to
> > those who know the password. All that XP Home allows you is read access for
> > everyone and (if desired) write access for everyone.
>
> It is possible to set user permissions on folders in XP Home, but you
> have to delve into command line operations. The command is cacls.
> However, you will need to have the same user details on both systems for
> this to be effective.
>
> PeeGee
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>
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Can you elaborate ? ie:delve into cmd prompt to set a specific folder
or to make visible the option to use, user details on each machine ? a
text file ?

"Martin Underwood" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "PeeGee" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:45e17469$0$16300$(E-Mail Removed).. .
> > Martin Underwood wrote:
> >> "Geoff Lane" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:erqftn$rke$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >>> I am running XP Home behind a NAT Router, I also have an older Win98
> >>> machine.
> >>>
> >>> Viewing some file sharing properties I noted that my Win98 system
allows
> >>> a password to be set for file read and/or writing.
> >>>
> >>> On my XP Home system I cannot find a password option, is this
available
> >>> on XP Home?
> >>
> >> No, sadly it isn't. For some reason, Microsoft decided to take
> >> share-level security out of XP Home. To get read/write password
security,
> >> you need to XP Pro and the file/folder-level security - but to do that
> >> you get into the realms of having identical user names on all
machines -
> >> and maybe a domain controller with a central user accounts database to
> >> ensure that a given user has a domain-wide security ID (SID), which is
> >> overkill for a home network.
> >>
> >> Share-level security was less secure than file-level, but it is better
> >> than nothing: often on a home network what you want is to discourage
> >> casual opportunistic use rather than to keep out the determined hacker.
> >> Or else you want to allow read access to everyone but restrict
> >> write/delete access to those who know the password. All that XP Home
> >> allows you is read access for everyone and (if desired) write access
for
> >> everyone.
> > It is possible to set user permissions on folders in XP Home, but you
have
> > to delve into command line operations. The command is cacls. However,
you
> > will need to have the same user details on both systems for this to be
> > effective.
>
> Oh, I never knew that! So XP Home supports file permissions but (unlike
Pro)
> doesn't have the GUI to make it easy to set them? I was thinking that it
> didn't support the permissions in the first place.
>
>
If you have NTFS disks then you can set permissions. From what I rememeber
if you boot in safe mode the permissions page is there. Weird...Oh and try
running the share wizard from the command line. Its called "shrpubw". I
think that lets you set perms on the share...

On 25 Feb, 14:06, "David Wade" <g...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Martin Underwood" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>
> news:45e1845b$0$8751$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "PeeGee" <tries...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:45e17469$0$16300$(E-Mail Removed). ..
> > > Martin Underwood wrote:
> > >> "Geoff Lane" <datemasde....@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:erqftn$rke$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >>> I am running XP Home behind a NAT Router, I also have an older Win98
> > >>> machine.
>
> > >>> Viewing some file sharing properties I noted that my Win98 system
> allows
> > >>> a password to be set for file read and/or writing.
>
> > >>> On my XP Home system I cannot find a password option, is this
> available
> > >>> on XP Home?
>
> > >> No, sadly it isn't. For some reason, Microsoft decided to take
> > >> share-level security out of XP Home. To get read/write password
> security,
> > >> you need to XP Pro and the file/folder-level security - but to do that
> > >> you get into the realms of having identical user names on all
> machines -
> > >> and maybe a domain controller with a central user accounts database to
> > >> ensure that a given user has a domain-wide security ID (SID), which is
> > >> overkill for a home network.
>
> > >> Share-level security was less secure than file-level, but it is better
> > >> than nothing: often on a home network what you want is to discourage
> > >> casual opportunistic use rather than to keep out the determined hacker.
> > >> Or else you want to allow read access to everyone but restrict
> > >> write/delete access to those who know the password. All that XP Home
> > >> allows you is read access for everyone and (if desired) write access
> for
> > >> everyone.
> > > It is possible to set user permissions on folders in XP Home, but you
> have
> > > to delve into command line operations. The command is cacls. However,
> you
> > > will need to have the same user details on both systems for this to be
> > > effective.
>
> > Oh, I never knew that! So XP Home supports file permissions but (unlike
> Pro)
> > doesn't have the GUI to make it easy to set them? I was thinking that it
> > didn't support the permissions in the first place.
>
> If you have NTFS disks then you can set permissions. From what I rememeber
> if you boot in safe mode the permissions page is there. Weird...Oh and try
> running the share wizard from the command line. Its called "shrpubw". I
> think that lets you set perms on the share...- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Thats really Useful, Thanks but I don't seem to be able to set it for
the network traffic only people on this pc ?
There are 2 pc's running 98 and the other xp pc isn't switched on so
maybe its a 98 prob ?
The "shrpubw" cmd is very useful info though, thanks...

>
> Oh, I never knew that! So XP Home supports file permissions but (unlike
> Pro) doesn't have the GUI to make it easy to set them? I was thinking that
> it didn't support the permissions in the first place.
>

Try this - it works on my wife's XP Home computer! I have XP Pro on mine.

http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_home_sectab.htm

In message <45e0c867$0$8735$(E-Mail Removed)>, Martin
Underwood <(E-Mail Removed)> writes
>All that XP Home allows you is read access for
>everyone and (if desired) write access for everyone.

If you install it on NTFS and then go into safe mode you can set up
normal NTFS security.
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Mike wrote:
> On 25 Feb, 12:28, PeeGee <tries...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> Martin Underwood wrote:
>>> "Geoff Lane" <datemasde....@gishpuppy.com> wrote in message
>>> news:erqftn$rke$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>> I am running XP Home behind a NAT Router, I also have an older Win98
>>>> machine.
>>>> Viewing some file sharing properties I noted that my Win98 system allows a
>>>> password to be set for file read and/or writing.
>>>> On my XP Home system I cannot find a password option, is this available on
>>>> XP Home?
>>> No, sadly it isn't. For some reason, Microsoft decided to take share-level
>>> security out of XP Home. To get read/write password security, you need to XP
>>> Pro and the file/folder-level security - but to do that you get into the
>>> realms of having identical user names on all machines - and maybe a domain
>>> controller with a central user accounts database to ensure that a given user
>>> has a domain-wide security ID (SID), which is overkill for a home network.
>>> Share-level security was less secure than file-level, but it is better than
>>> nothing: often on a home network what you want is to discourage casual
>>> opportunistic use rather than to keep out the determined hacker. Or else you
>>> want to allow read access to everyone but restrict write/delete access to
>>> those who know the password. All that XP Home allows you is read access for
>>> everyone and (if desired) write access for everyone.
>> It is possible to set user permissions on folders in XP Home, but you
>> have to delve into command line operations. The command is cacls.
>> However, you will need to have the same user details on both systems for
>> this to be effective.
>>
>> PeeGee
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Can you elaborate ? ie:delve into cmd prompt to set a specific folder
> or to make visible the option to use, user details on each machine ? a
> text file ?
>

Sorry, I was a bit cryptic. As you surmised, run CMD to get the command
prompt and then type "cacls", this will give the parameters. The
"filename" can also be a folder name; use a full path.

You can only set parameters for a user on the system (or domain users),
so the same user details have to be created as on the win98 system. You
just need something like
cacls d:\shared /p win98user:f
cacls d:\shared /e /g localuser:f
which will allow "localuser" to access the folder, as well as the win98
user.

As has been said elsewhere, this will only work with NTFS and not FAT32.
You may need to set up win98 for "family logon" to get the
username/password to be checked. (I don't have the facilities to check
this at home). I don't know of a way to password protect the share directly.

PeeGee
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knowledge or consent of the computer user. Software should also be
able to be removed from a computer easily."
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