XP/98SE boondoggle or I give up, please help.

So I have committed the cardinal sin of trying to build a mixed XP/98SE
network. After much reading and tweaking, I can finally see all three PCs
on my net (four more to go). Problem is that after the XP Pro upgrade to my
primary PC, I can no longer access the Linksys WPS11 from either of the
Win98SE PCs. They no longer see it on the net. The XP PC does and can
print to it.

I have installed TCP/IP, NetBUI, and SPX on all three PC (TCP/IP just never
seemed to work despite MS's claim that this is the only protocol I will ever
need). All three PCs have passwords. The two W98SE machines can see the
printers hooked up to the other 98SE and XP machine.

PC1 XP Printer 1 on LPT1:
PC2 W98SE Printer 2 on LPT1:
PC2 W98SE No printer
WPS11 Printer3 on LPT1:

In article <mAGhc.36992$(E-Mail Removed)>, "Froglips"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>So I have committed the cardinal sin of trying to build a mixed XP/98SE
>network. After much reading and tweaking, I can finally see all three PCs
>on my net (four more to go). Problem is that after the XP Pro upgrade to my
>primary PC, I can no longer access the Linksys WPS11 from either of the
>Win98SE PCs. They no longer see it on the net. The XP PC does and can
>print to it.
>
>I have installed TCP/IP, NetBUI, and SPX on all three PC (TCP/IP just never
>seemed to work despite MS's claim that this is the only protocol I will ever
>need). All three PCs have passwords. The two W98SE machines can see the
>printers hooked up to the other 98SE and XP machine.
>
>PC1 XP Printer 1 on LPT1:
>PC2 W98SE Printer 2 on LPT1:
>PC2 W98SE No printer
>WPS11 Printer3 on LPT1:

Adding protocols is likely to make the network worse, not better,
especially when XP is involved. The problems will probably increase
as you add more computers. Remove NetBEUI and IPX/SPX from all
computers.

These tips should help you get everything working using only TCP/IP:

1. Permanently disable XP's built-in Internet Connection Firewall on
local area network connections -- it's for use only on a direct modem
connection to the Internet. Disable and un-install all other firewall
programs while troubleshooting. When un-installing a firewall
program, use the un-install procedure provided by the manufacturer .
Don't use Control Panel | Add or Remove Programs, which might not
completely un-install it.

For more information, see:

Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...c_firewall.htm

2. Make sure that NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled on all computers.
Details here:

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...hoot/netbt.htm

3. Run "ipconfig /all" on XP and look at the "Node Type" at the
beginning of the output. If it says "Peer-to-Peer" (which should
actually be "Point-to-Point") that's the problem. It means that the
computer only uses a WINS server, which isn't available on a
peer-to-peer network for NetBIOS name resolution.

If that's the case, run the registry editor, open this key:

HLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netbt\Parame ters

and delete these values if they're present:

NodeType
DhcpNodeType

Reboot, then try network access again.

If that doesn't fix it, open that registry key again, create a DWORD
value called "NodeType", and set it to 1 for "Broadcast" or 4 for
"Mixed".

For details, see these Microsoft Knowledge Base articles:

Default Node Type for Microsoft Clients
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;160177

TCP/IP and NBT Configuration Parameters for Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;314053
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Steve,
OK, followed your recommendations. I have removed all but TCP/IP from all
three PCs. I have enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP on all three computers
including forcing it on the XP PC.

I can not run ipconfig /all on the XP. The DOS windows opens and closes
instantly.

I can no longer view my workgroup on the XP PC. The error is that I do not
have permission and to contact my network administrator (me). I am logged
on as a supervisor.

I can see the Linksys WPS11 from one of the Win98SE machines (hard wired LAN
connection) but not the other (wireless LAN connection).

I have looked for NodeType and DhcpNodeType in
HLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netbt\Parame ters. They do not exist,
however, I do see there are three listing under Interface, all TCP/IP. One
of them has a NetBIOS Dword set but the other do not have the entry.

This is were I was before I added the other protocols.

Thanks for your suggestions.

Kurt

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
In article <mAGhc.36992$(E-Mail Removed)>, "Froglips"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>So I have committed the cardinal sin of trying to build a mixed XP/98SE
>network. After much reading and tweaking, I can finally see all three PCs
>on my net (four more to go). Problem is that after the XP Pro upgrade to
my
>primary PC, I can no longer access the Linksys WPS11 from either of the
>Win98SE PCs. They no longer see it on the net. The XP PC does and can
>print to it.
>
>I have installed TCP/IP, NetBUI, and SPX on all three PC (TCP/IP just never
>seemed to work despite MS's claim that this is the only protocol I will
ever
>need). All three PCs have passwords. The two W98SE machines can see the
>printers hooked up to the other 98SE and XP machine.
>
>PC1 XP Printer 1 on LPT1:
>PC2 W98SE Printer 2 on LPT1:
>PC2 W98SE No printer
>WPS11 Printer3 on LPT1:

Adding protocols is likely to make the network worse, not better,
especially when XP is involved. The problems will probably increase
as you add more computers. Remove NetBEUI and IPX/SPX from all
computers.

These tips should help you get everything working using only TCP/IP:

1. Permanently disable XP's built-in Internet Connection Firewall on
local area network connections -- it's for use only on a direct modem
connection to the Internet. Disable and un-install all other firewall
programs while troubleshooting. When un-installing a firewall
program, use the un-install procedure provided by the manufacturer .
Don't use Control Panel | Add or Remove Programs, which might not
completely un-install it.

For more information, see:

Windows XP Internet Connection Firewall
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...c_firewall.htm

2. Make sure that NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled on all computers.
Details here:

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...hoot/netbt.htm

3. Run "ipconfig /all" on XP and look at the "Node Type" at the
beginning of the output. If it says "Peer-to-Peer" (which should
actually be "Point-to-Point") that's the problem. It means that the
computer only uses a WINS server, which isn't available on a
peer-to-peer network for NetBIOS name resolution.

If that's the case, run the registry editor, open this key:

HLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netbt\Parame ters

and delete these values if they're present:

NodeType
DhcpNodeType

Reboot, then try network access again.

If that doesn't fix it, open that registry key again, create a DWORD
value called "NodeType", and set it to 1 for "Broadcast" or 4 for
"Mixed".

For details, see these Microsoft Knowledge Base articles:

Default Node Type for Microsoft Clients
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;160177

TCP/IP and NBT Configuration Parameters for Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;314053
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Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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"Froglips" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:gLPhc.51067$B%(E-Mail Removed)...

>
> I can not run ipconfig /all on the XP.
>The DOS windows opens and closes instantly.
Only this portion I would:

run cmd
then wait a second,
then a new windows will open,
now you can enter ipconfig /all > inconfig_text.txt
or ipconfig /all whichever you like.
Good Luck!

In article <gLPhc.51067$B%(E-Mail Removed)>, "Froglips"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Steve,
>OK, followed your recommendations. I have removed all but TCP/IP from all
>three PCs. I have enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP on all three computers
>including forcing it on the XP PC.
>
>I can not run ipconfig /all on the XP. The DOS windows opens and closes
>instantly.
>
>I can no longer view my workgroup on the XP PC. The error is that I do not
>have permission and to contact my network administrator (me). I am logged
>on as a supervisor.
>
>I can see the Linksys WPS11 from one of the Win98SE machines (hard wired LAN
>connection) but not the other (wireless LAN connection).
>
>I have looked for NodeType and DhcpNodeType in
>HLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netbt\Param eters. They do not exist,
>however, I do see there are three listing under Interface, all TCP/IP. One
>of them has a NetBIOS Dword set but the other do not have the entry.
>
>This is were I was before I added the other protocols.
>
>Thanks for your suggestions.
>
>Kurt

Open a command prompt window by typing "cmd" in the Start | Run box.
Type the "ipconfig" command in that window. Type "exit" to close the
command prompt window.

The "no permission" message on XP is misleading. It's just a generic
message meaning that something's wrong with the network.

Try accessing another computer from XP by typing the other computer's
name in the Start | Run box in this format:

\\computer

Try pinging another computer from XP using both the IP address and
name of the other computer. For example:

ping 192.168.1.2
ping computer

It might help to disable the Computer Browser service on XP:

1. Right click My Computer, and click Manage.
2. Double click Services and Applications.
3. Double click Services.
4. Double click Computer Browser. If the Service status is Started,
click Stop.
5. Set the Startup type to Disabled.

See if there are any relevant messages in Event Viewer on XP To run
it, click Start | Control Panel | Performance and Maintenance |
Administrative Tools | Event Viewer. For more information, see:

HOW TO: View and Manage Event Logs in Event Viewer in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308427
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Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm

Steve,
ipconfig /all gives

Windows IP Configuration
Host Name: min-maw
Primary Dns Suffix::
IP Routing Enabled: No
WINS Proxy Enabled: No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix: indy.rr.com
Description: Linksys NC100
Physical address: XX-XX-XX-XX-XX-XX (correctly idendified but I choose not
to publish)
Dhcp Enabled: Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled: Yes
IP Address: 192.168.1.100
Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
Default gateway: 192.168.1.1
DNS Servers: XX.XX.XXX.XXX <correctly identified>

I can not connect to either Win98SE PC by typing //Sony (wireless PC) or
//HP (hardwired PC).

I can ping both PCs and the WPS11.

Next?

Best regards,
Kurt



"Steve Winograd [MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
In article <gLPhc.51067$B%(E-Mail Removed)>, "Froglips"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Steve,
>OK, followed your recommendations. I have removed all but TCP/IP from all
>three PCs. I have enabled NetBIOS over TCP/IP on all three computers
>including forcing it on the XP PC.
>
>I can not run ipconfig /all on the XP. The DOS windows opens and closes
>instantly.
>
>I can no longer view my workgroup on the XP PC. The error is that I do not
>have permission and to contact my network administrator (me). I am logged
>on as a supervisor.
>
>I can see the Linksys WPS11 from one of the Win98SE machines (hard wired
LAN
>connection) but not the other (wireless LAN connection).
>
>I have looked for NodeType and DhcpNodeType in
>HLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Netbt\Param eters. They do not exist,
>however, I do see there are three listing under Interface, all TCP/IP. One
>of them has a NetBIOS Dword set but the other do not have the entry.
>
>This is were I was before I added the other protocols.
>
>Thanks for your suggestions.
>
>Kurt

Open a command prompt window by typing "cmd" in the Start | Run box.
Type the "ipconfig" command in that window. Type "exit" to close the
command prompt window.

The "no permission" message on XP is misleading. It's just a generic
message meaning that something's wrong with the network.

Try accessing another computer from XP by typing the other computer's
name in the Start | Run box in this format:

\\computer

Try pinging another computer from XP using both the IP address and
name of the other computer. For example:

ping 192.168.1.2
ping computer

It might help to disable the Computer Browser service on XP:

1. Right click My Computer, and click Manage.
2. Double click Services and Applications.
3. Double click Services.
4. Double click Computer Browser. If the Service status is Started,
click Stop.
5. Set the Startup type to Disabled.

See if there are any relevant messages in Event Viewer on XP To run
it, click Start | Control Panel | Performance and Maintenance |
Administrative Tools | Event Viewer. For more information, see:

HOW TO: View and Manage Event Logs in Event Viewer in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=308427
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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http://mvp.support.microsoft.com

Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
http://www.bcmaven.com/networking/faq.htm

In article <Edgic.56$(E-Mail Removed)>, "Froglips"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Steve,
>ipconfig /all gives
>
>Windows IP Configuration
>Host Name: min-maw
>Primary Dns Suffix::
>IP Routing Enabled: No
>WINS Proxy Enabled: No
>
>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>Connection-specific DNS Suffix: indy.rr.com
>Description: Linksys NC100
>Physical address: XX-XX-XX-XX-XX-XX (correctly idendified but I choose not
>to publish)
>Dhcp Enabled: Yes
>Autoconfiguration Enabled: Yes
>IP Address: 192.168.1.100
>Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
>Default gateway: 192.168.1.1
>DNS Servers: XX.XX.XXX.XXX <correctly identified>
>
>I can not connect to either Win98SE PC by typing //Sony (wireless PC) or
>//HP (hardwired PC).
>
>I can ping both PCs and the WPS11.
>
>Next?
>
>Best regards,
>Kurt

That should be backward slashes: \\Sony or \\HP

Can you ping both PCs and the WPS11 by IP address and by computer
name? If so, file sharing should be working.
--
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I agree file sharing should be working. Unfortunately it is not.

I can ping the other PCs and the WPS by IP but not by name.

When I try to "View workgroup computers" I receive the following error.
"Home is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network
resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have
the access permissions.

The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available."

Kurt

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
In article <Edgic.56$(E-Mail Removed)>, "Froglips"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>Steve,
>ipconfig /all gives
>
>Windows IP Configuration
>Host Name: min-maw
>Primary Dns Suffix::
>IP Routing Enabled: No
>WINS Proxy Enabled: No
>
>Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>Connection-specific DNS Suffix: indy.rr.com
>Description: Linksys NC100
>Physical address: XX-XX-XX-XX-XX-XX (correctly idendified but I choose not
>to publish)
>Dhcp Enabled: Yes
>Autoconfiguration Enabled: Yes
>IP Address: 192.168.1.100
>Subnet Mask: 255.255.255.0
>Default gateway: 192.168.1.1
>DNS Servers: XX.XX.XXX.XXX <correctly identified>
>
>I can not connect to either Win98SE PC by typing //Sony (wireless PC) or
>//HP (hardwired PC).
>
>I can ping both PCs and the WPS11.
>
>Next?
>
>Best regards,
>Kurt

That should be backward slashes: \\Sony or \\HP

Can you ping both PCs and the WPS11 by IP address and by computer
name? If so, file sharing should be working.
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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In article <xHXic.14318$(E-Mail Removed)>, "Froglips"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>I agree file sharing should be working. Unfortunately it is not.
>
>I can ping the other PCs and the WPS by IP but not by name.
>
>When I try to "View workgroup computers" I receive the following error.
>"Home is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network
>resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have
>the access permissions.
>
>The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available."
>
>Kurt

Make sure that NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled, as shown here:

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...hoot/netbt.htm

In the network properties, click TCP/IP->NIC | Properties | Bindings
and make sure that there are check marks in all of the boxes.

A common reason for inability to browse the network is that the user
isn't logged on. Is there a logon prompt when Windows 98 starts? If
so, don't cancel it. Complete the logon by entering a user name and,
optionally, a password. If there's no logon prompt, click Start | Log
Off and log back on. If that makes network browsing work properly,
the most likely fix is to go to this registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\
Network\Real Mode Net

and delete the value named "AutoLogon", as shown here:

http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/nologon.htm#AutoLogon
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Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

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Steve,
Thank you for your continued efforts.

NetBT is enabled on both the XP and 98 machine (I have taken the portable
with 98 offline, figuring to get these two PCs talking then build on that).

From the 98 machine I can open Network Neighborhood and see three listings,
the XP machine, the 98 machine, and the WPS. If I double click on the 98
machine I see the printer attached to it, its hard drive, etc. If I click
on the WPS I see the printer attached to it. If I click on the XP machine,
I get a long hour glass delay then a error message that says that the XP
machine can not be found. If I close and reopen network neighborhood then
it reappears.

I use Windows logon for all my PCs. I do use the same User name and
password on all PCs.

Kurt

"Steve Winograd [MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
In article <xHXic.14318$(E-Mail Removed)>, "Froglips"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>I agree file sharing should be working. Unfortunately it is not.
>
>I can ping the other PCs and the WPS by IP but not by name.
>
>When I try to "View workgroup computers" I receive the following error.
>"Home is not accessible. You might not have permission to use this network
>resource. Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have
>the access permissions.
>
>The list of servers for this workgroup is not currently available."
>
>Kurt

Make sure that NetBIOS over TCP/IP is enabled, as shown here:

Enable NetBIOS Over TCP/IP (NetBT)
http://www.practicallynetworked.com/...hoot/netbt.htm

In the network properties, click TCP/IP->NIC | Properties | Bindings
and make sure that there are check marks in all of the boxes.

A common reason for inability to browse the network is that the user
isn't logged on. Is there a logon prompt when Windows 98 starts? If
so, don't cancel it. Complete the logon by entering a user name and,
optionally, a password. If there's no logon prompt, click Start | Log
Off and log back on. If that makes network browsing work properly,
the most likely fix is to go to this registry key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\
Network\Real Mode Net

and delete the value named "AutoLogon", as shown here:

http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/nologon.htm#AutoLogon
--
Best Wishes,
Steve Winograd, MS-MVP (Windows Networking)

Please post any reply as a follow-up message in the news group
for everyone to see. I'm sorry, but I don't answer questions
addressed directly to me in E-mail or news groups.

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Steve Winograd's Networking FAQ
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