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Barb Bowman
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      10-09-2008, 05:31 PM
yes, some routers can generate new PINs, reset to the default PIN,
etc.

On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:18:59 -0700 (PDT), smlunatick
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>
>I accessed the GUI web pages and got the WPS PIN directly from there.
>I am not sure that the WPS PIN number inside the web web configuration
>"matches" the outside label.

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      10-11-2008, 06:03 AM
Hi Guys:

Well, I have been in correspondence with Airlink's cust service. I have
been running some experiments which indicate that something is very
peculiar.

The router manual says once a WPS connection is made, all additional
connections must be WPS also. CS verified that this is true. But, I made
an experiment where I established a WPS connection with pc1 which has an
Airlink adapter, then made an open connection with pc2 which has the
Intel adapter. There is no way for sure to tell if the first connection
drops it's security because the Airlink s/w does not show security
status for a non-broadcasted SSID connected with WPS, but it's for sure
that the second connection is completely open. Now, I've communicated
the details of all this to Airlink CS. They won't get back to me 'till
next week, so we'll see what they say.

In the meantime, I will explore straight forward connections using WPA
and a security word to see if the same thing happens. Fun, fun, fun. :-(

Thanks for the help. I'll post the results so the world will know just
in case anyone's interested.

Dave
 
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Barb Bowman
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      10-11-2008, 08:58 AM
first, NOT broadcasting the SSID is really not a good security
measure.

second, sounds like Airlink has some bugs in their implementation.

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:03:49 -0700, dbird <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Hi Guys:
>
>Well, I have been in correspondence with Airlink's cust service. I have
>been running some experiments which indicate that something is very
>peculiar.
>
>The router manual says once a WPS connection is made, all additional
>connections must be WPS also. CS verified that this is true. But, I made
>an experiment where I established a WPS connection with pc1 which has an
>Airlink adapter, then made an open connection with pc2 which has the
>Intel adapter. There is no way for sure to tell if the first connection
>drops it's security because the Airlink s/w does not show security
>status for a non-broadcasted SSID connected with WPS, but it's for sure
>that the second connection is completely open. Now, I've communicated
>the details of all this to Airlink CS. They won't get back to me 'till
>next week, so we'll see what they say.
>
>In the meantime, I will explore straight forward connections using WPA
>and a security word to see if the same thing happens. Fun, fun, fun. :-(
>
>Thanks for the help. I'll post the results so the world will know just
>in case anyone's interested.
>
>Dave

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      10-12-2008, 01:30 AM
Why NOT? This is contrary to everything that everyone else has told me.
First thing to do is turn off SSID broadcast....

Please explain.

Thanks,

Dave

Barb Bowman wrote:
> first, NOT broadcasting the SSID is really not a good security
> measure.
>
> second, sounds like Airlink has some bugs in their implementation.

 
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      10-12-2008, 03:57 AM
Turning off SSID mostly discourages the casual browsers and it can cause
some performance/stability issues with your own connections sometimes.

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> Why NOT? This is contrary to everything that everyone else has told me.
> First thing to do is turn off SSID broadcast....
>
> Please explain.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
> Barb Bowman wrote:
>
> > first, NOT broadcasting the SSID is really not a good security
> > measure.
> >
> > second, sounds like Airlink has some bugs in their implementation.


 
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      10-12-2008, 05:52 AM
Performance/stability issues? Well, I am certainly seeing that, but only
with my non-Airlink adapter. The Airlink adapter seems solid, as far as
it goes. Care to give some examples?

It would be interesting if anyone has started a list of known
(in)compatibility issues between different implementations of the
wireless-N.

Ben M. Schorr - MVP (OneNote) wrote:
> Turning off SSID mostly discourages the casual browsers and it can cause
> some performance/stability issues with your own connections sometimes.
>
> --
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> Roland Schorr & Tower
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> http://www.officeforlawyers.com
> Author - The Lawyer's Guide to Microsoft Outlook 2007:
> http://tinyurl.com/5m3f5q
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>
>
> "(E-Mail Removed)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed):
>
>> Why NOT? This is contrary to everything that everyone else has told me.
>> First thing to do is turn off SSID broadcast....
>>
>> Please explain.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Barb Bowman wrote:
>>
>> > first, NOT broadcasting the SSID is really not a good security
>> > measure.
>> >
>> > second, sounds like Airlink has some bugs in their implementation.

>

 
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      10-12-2008, 08:08 PM
you are probably talking with the wrong "everyone". back in the
802.11b days, this was something alot of people did. but now it is
not considered a good deterrent. anyone that really wants to find
your SSID WILL find it. and it makes it tougher for some wireless
clients to find and hold a connection.

security should be configured with WPA2 with a strong passphrase.

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:30:56 -0700, dbird <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Why NOT? This is contrary to everything that everyone else has told me.
>First thing to do is turn off SSID broadcast....
>
>Please explain.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dave
>
>Barb Bowman wrote:
>> first, NOT broadcasting the SSID is really not a good security
>> measure.
>>
>> second, sounds like Airlink has some bugs in their implementation.

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      10-14-2008, 06:35 AM
Two developments.

Airlink CS is telling me that the manuals are wrong. Both router and
adapter manuals show that security, meaning WPA, etc, normal manual
setups are turned off when using WPS. That is what I have been doing. CS
now says that the checkbox in the GUI for the manual security has to be
on. Grrr!

Their exact words: "Yes; [manual] security needs to be enabled for a
secure connection however WPS is just an easy way to connect your two
airlink devices together and nothing more. It does not provide security."

So, this is why I was able to see an open connection at the same time as
I thought there was a secure connection using WPS. The request for a PIN
must have been thrown away. I have another query to CS for clarification.

My experiments enabling manual WPA with a security word yielded correct
results in that only the Airlink adapter was able to make a secure
connection. The Intel adapter was still unable to establish a secure
connection or an open connection while manual security was checked in
the router GUI.

At this point, I don't see much utility in WPS. It uses an 8 character
PIN and that's it unless you make your own, then it's the same as
WPA/etc manual. Each adapter using WPS has it's own unique PIN if you
choose that method. That might give some advantage; don't know. The CS
comment that WPS is just an easy way to connect makes sense in the
Airlink context, I guess. It takes a little bit more reading in the
manual to set up an manual secure connection, but after doing it, I
think it is actually easier to do the manual method.

I'm going to pursue the manual method from here on. Unless the final N
spec gives some advantage to the WPS. The connection problem with Intel
looks like a compatibility issue between vendors. I'll pursue that with
Airlink CS some more maybe. There's some more experiments I can do to
check that out.

Thanks for the help.

Dave

dbird wrote:
> Hi Guys:
>
> Well, I have been in correspondence with Airlink's cust service. I have
> been running some experiments which indicate that something is very
> peculiar.
>
> The router manual says once a WPS connection is made, all additional
> connections must be WPS also. CS verified that this is true. But, I made
> an experiment where I established a WPS connection with pc1 which has an
> Airlink adapter, then made an open connection with pc2 which has the
> Intel adapter. There is no way for sure to tell if the first connection
> drops it's security because the Airlink s/w does not show security
> status for a non-broadcasted SSID connected with WPS, but it's for sure
> that the second connection is completely open. Now, I've communicated
> the details of all this to Airlink CS. They won't get back to me 'till
> next week, so we'll see what they say.
>
> In the meantime, I will explore straight forward connections using WPA
> and a security word to see if the same thing happens. Fun, fun, fun. :-(
>
> Thanks for the help. I'll post the results so the world will know just
> in case anyone's interested.
>
> Dave

 
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Barb Bowman
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      10-14-2008, 08:28 AM
so (in theory) WCN in Vista + an update available only from vendors
(Wireless Feature Pack for Windows) + USB flash key makes the whole
thing easy. (altho with Intel, for N, best to use WPA2).

1. with the update above, you can set up a new connection over
wireless with the PIN number from the router. then

2. on the computer you are using to set this up, you insert the USB
flash key and save the settings. then

3. you plug the flash key into other Vista computers you want to
join that new wireless network.

some of this push button stuff is still pretty bleeding edge..

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:35:29 -0700, dbird <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Two developments.
>
>Airlink CS is telling me that the manuals are wrong. Both router and
>adapter manuals show that security, meaning WPA, etc, normal manual
>setups are turned off when using WPS. That is what I have been doing. CS
>now says that the checkbox in the GUI for the manual security has to be
>on. Grrr!
>
>Their exact words: "Yes; [manual] security needs to be enabled for a
>secure connection however WPS is just an easy way to connect your two
>airlink devices together and nothing more. It does not provide security."
>
>So, this is why I was able to see an open connection at the same time as
>I thought there was a secure connection using WPS. The request for a PIN
>must have been thrown away. I have another query to CS for clarification.
>
>My experiments enabling manual WPA with a security word yielded correct
>results in that only the Airlink adapter was able to make a secure
>connection. The Intel adapter was still unable to establish a secure
>connection or an open connection while manual security was checked in
>the router GUI.
>
>At this point, I don't see much utility in WPS. It uses an 8 character
>PIN and that's it unless you make your own, then it's the same as
>WPA/etc manual. Each adapter using WPS has it's own unique PIN if you
>choose that method. That might give some advantage; don't know. The CS
>comment that WPS is just an easy way to connect makes sense in the
>Airlink context, I guess. It takes a little bit more reading in the
>manual to set up an manual secure connection, but after doing it, I
>think it is actually easier to do the manual method.
>
>I'm going to pursue the manual method from here on. Unless the final N
>spec gives some advantage to the WPS. The connection problem with Intel
>looks like a compatibility issue between vendors. I'll pursue that with
>Airlink CS some more maybe. There's some more experiments I can do to
>check that out.
>
>Thanks for the help.
>
>Dave
>
>dbird wrote:
>> Hi Guys:
>>
>> Well, I have been in correspondence with Airlink's cust service. I have
>> been running some experiments which indicate that something is very
>> peculiar.
>>
>> The router manual says once a WPS connection is made, all additional
>> connections must be WPS also. CS verified that this is true. But, I made
>> an experiment where I established a WPS connection with pc1 which has an
>> Airlink adapter, then made an open connection with pc2 which has the
>> Intel adapter. There is no way for sure to tell if the first connection
>> drops it's security because the Airlink s/w does not show security
>> status for a non-broadcasted SSID connected with WPS, but it's for sure
>> that the second connection is completely open. Now, I've communicated
>> the details of all this to Airlink CS. They won't get back to me 'till
>> next week, so we'll see what they say.
>>
>> In the meantime, I will explore straight forward connections using WPA
>> and a security word to see if the same thing happens. Fun, fun, fun. :-(
>>
>> Thanks for the help. I'll post the results so the world will know just
>> in case anyone's interested.
>>
>> Dave

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