How I would like to change the *digital* cell phone industry.

On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...e614fe3?hl=en&
:

> Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:

> >On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
> >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...

> >> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?

> >Digital cell phones should stop using the compression they use and
> >start using monaural WMA compression with a CBR of 20 kbps or less and
> >a sample rate of at least 44.1 KHz.

> Very roughly, the current 8Kbits/sec encoding rate,
> compared to your 44Kbit/sec, will only handle about 1/5th the number
> of users.

Who said anything about 44Kbit/sec?

The bit-rate of my WMA CBR is 20Kbit/sec or less.

> >1. In its uncompressed form, the audio must have a bit-resolution of
> >at least 16-bit

> The encoding resolution is not changed by compression. If you encode
> something with 16 bit resolution, and compress it, you still have 16
> bit data coming out. It's the data rate or thruput that changes with
> compression.

Okay.

> >2. The sample-rate of the compressed and the uncompressed version of
> >the audio must be the same.

> Not possible. If the rate in and rate out are identical, then there's
> no compression happening.

Yes it is possible and it is compression. The uncompressed audio is a
monaural linear PCM at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a 16-bit-resolution
-- this audio has a bit-rate of 705.6 kbps. The compressed audio is a
monaural CBR WMA at 44.1-KHz-sample-rate with a bit-rate of 20 kbps or
less.

Where/when is there any change in sample-rate?????????

There is definitely a change in bit-rate. However, that is totally
different from the sample-rate. Totally.

BIT-rate and SAMPLE-rate are two completely different things.

In linear PCM audio:

BIT-rate = SAMPLE-rate X bit-resolution X number of channels

Stereo has two channels. Mono has one channel.

44,100 Hz X 16-bit X 1 channel = 705,600 bps

In article <(E-Mail Removed). com>,
Radium <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...c79e614fe3?hl=
> en&
> :
>
> > Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:
>
> > >On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...
>
> > >> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?
>
I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

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"Kurt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
plan). ?

On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:58:53 +0900, Brenda Ann wrote:

> "Kurt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:labolide-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.
>
> You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
> only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
> other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
> plan). ?

Thx.

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On 7/21/07 1:58 AM, in article
CpWdnUYtnrpPVzzbnZ2dnUVZ_o-(E-Mail Removed), "Brenda Ann"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
> "Kurt" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:labolide-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.
>
> You only want them to work in a few dozen exchanges, and use a codec that
> only other phones of that brand use, so you can't talk to anyone else but
> other customers of that company (sort of like Sprint's "Friends and Family"
> plan). ?
>
>
>

I wouldn't want facts to get in the way of your rant, but you really seem to
be misinformed or don't care for the facts.

On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
labolide-(E-Mail Removed), "Kurt"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> In article <(E-Mail Removed). com>,
> Radium <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in
>>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl>>
=
>> en&
>> :
>>
>>> Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:
>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...
>>
>>>>> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?
>>
> I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
> phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
> their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.

Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
an idiot.

>
> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.

You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
something they forced you to buy?

In article <C2C76B2D.70C11%(E-Mail Removed)>,
Don Bowey <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
> labolide-(E-Mail Removed), "Kurt"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> > In article <(E-Mail Removed). com>,
> > Radium <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> >> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in
> >>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl>
> >
> =
> >> en&
> >> :
> >>
> >>> Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:
> >>
> >>>> On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...
> >>
> >>>>> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?
> >>
> > I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
> > phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
> > their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.
>
> Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
> an idiot.
>
> >
> > I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.
>
> You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
> something they forced you to buy?

You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
Why the iPod?

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On 7/21/07 9:28 AM, in article
labolide-(E-Mail Removed), "Kurt"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> In article <C2C76B2D.70C11%(E-Mail Removed)>,
> Don Bowey <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> On 7/20/07 8:27 PM, in article
>> labolide-(E-Mail Removed), "Kurt"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <(E-Mail Removed). com>,
>>> Radium <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 19, 12:06 am, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote in
>>>>
>>
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/msg/4b14d9c79e614fe3?hl>>
>
>>>
>> =
>>>> en&
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> Radium <gluceg...@gmail.com> hath wroth:
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 1, 7:24 am, shawn.cormi...@gmail.com wrote in
>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.e...sg/696d6abf90c...
>>>>
>>>>>>> how would u like to change the cell phone industry?
>>>>
>>> I would do what Apple is doing right now. Use their power to force the
>>> phone companies to offer (finally) great phones with simple plans that
>>> their employees can't screw up or misinform customers about.
>>
>> Apple can't and isn't forcing "the phone companies" to do anything. You're
>> an idiot.
>>
>>>
>>> I want getting phone service like when I buy a Mac.
>>
>> You have a monthly payment plan for minutes of use of your Mac? Is this
>> something they forced you to buy?
>
> You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
> Why the iPod?

Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

The iPod's success is from Apple having a top-notch product line with good
features, and cool looks. And people should not overlook, but often do,
iTunes. It is iTunes that makes the iPod easy to use, giving it easy
access to their CD and MP3 music regardless of where they buy it. People
who don't want an iPod can still use the free iTunes to good advantage.

Apple doesn't make anyone do anything.

So, what was your point?

Don

In article <C2C78F75.70C91%(E-Mail Removed)>,
Don Bowey <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:


> > You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
> > Why the iPod?
>
> Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
> wanting a very cool instrument with good features.

Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
this as a positive.

On 7/21/07 11:00 AM, in article
kurtullman-(E-Mail Removed),
"Kurt Ullman" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> In article <C2C78F75.70C91%(E-Mail Removed)>,
> Don Bowey <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>
>>> You miss my point. Why do you think the iPhone is so successful?
>>> Why the iPod?
>>
>> Until there are more facts, the iPhone's current success is due to people
>> wanting a very cool instrument with good features.
>
> Which is pretty much the definition of putting out a product that the
> public wants. But, yet, I seem to have feelings that you did not mean
> this as a positive.

You are reading in something I did not say.

The iPhone is off to a great start, but it has no track record at this time.
I anticipate that it will be very successful, but we can only guess at it
now. From an investor point-of-view, I think the monthly kickback from AT&T
that Apple negotiated, is good. From a personal POV I think it sucks, and
will likely antagonize Apple supporters.