Workgroup issue

Anybody-
I work at a university who has a workgroup called math for the math
department. As of now, both of the domain controllers have been removed.
(months ago) But when we go try and see the computers and shares on the math
workgroup(since changed from the domain to a workgroup) it says access
denied. It is acting like it is searching for the server or something. Any
ideas on how I can get access to the shares on that workgroup?

Thanks in advance

Brett Evanson

Hi Brett,

Asuming that you have set the computers to use the workgroup option and the
gateway, subnet, dns are correct (not pointing to the old DCs)... try adding
your user's login names & passwords to the local accounts list on the
computer hosting the shares.

Coraleigh

"Brett Evanson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:BF62FF08.11F4%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Anybody-
> I work at a university who has a workgroup called math for the math
> department. As of now, both of the domain controllers have been removed.
> (months ago) But when we go try and see the computers and shares on the
> math
> workgroup(since changed from the domain to a workgroup) it says access
> denied. It is acting like it is searching for the server or something. Any
> ideas on how I can get access to the shares on that workgroup?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Brett Evanson
>

Unlike a domain, there is no centralised control in a workgroup. It is a
peer to peer setup. To access files on a particular machine, you must have
valid credentials on the machine itself.

Brett Evanson wrote:
> Anybody-
> I work at a university who has a workgroup called math for the math
> department. As of now, both of the domain controllers have been
> removed. (months ago) But when we go try and see the computers and
> shares on the math workgroup(since changed from the domain to a
> workgroup) it says access denied. It is acting like it is searching
> for the server or something. Any ideas on how I can get access to the
> shares on that workgroup?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Brett Evanson

Would this limit be to not even be able to see the computers in the
workgroup? I can't even do that right now. I was under the impression that
because there was no DC, anyone should be able to see the workgroup and the
computers in it. Am I misunderstanding something?

Brett


On 9/30/05 6:33 PM, in article OSNsA$(E-Mail Removed), "Bill
Grant" <not.available@online> wrote:

> Unlike a domain, there is no centralised control in a workgroup. It is a
> peer to peer setup. To access files on a particular machine, you must have
> valid credentials on the machine itself.
>
> Brett Evanson wrote:
>> Anybody-
>> I work at a university who has a workgroup called math for the math
>> department. As of now, both of the domain controllers have been
>> removed. (months ago) But when we go try and see the computers and
>> shares on the math workgroup(since changed from the domain to a
>> workgroup) it says access denied. It is acting like it is searching
>> for the server or something. Any ideas on how I can get access to the
>> shares on that workgroup?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Brett Evanson
>
>

Were the machine ever removed from the domain?

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"Brett Evanson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:BF669E1F.134E%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Would this limit be to not even be able to see the computers in the
> workgroup? I can't even do that right now. I was under the impression that
> because there was no DC, anyone should be able to see the workgroup and
> the
> computers in it. Am I misunderstanding something?
>
> Brett
>
>
> On 9/30/05 6:33 PM, in article OSNsA$(E-Mail Removed), "Bill
> Grant" <not.available@online> wrote:
>
>> Unlike a domain, there is no centralised control in a workgroup. It
>> is a
>> peer to peer setup. To access files on a particular machine, you must
>> have
>> valid credentials on the machine itself.
>>
>> Brett Evanson wrote:
>>> Anybody-
>>> I work at a university who has a workgroup called math for the math
>>> department. As of now, both of the domain controllers have been
>>> removed. (months ago) But when we go try and see the computers and
>>> shares on the math workgroup(since changed from the domain to a
>>> workgroup) it says access denied. It is acting like it is searching
>>> for the server or something. Any ideas on how I can get access to the
>>> shares on that workgroup?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>>
>>> Brett Evanson
>>
>>
>

The machines were set up as workgroup members instead of domain members.
Would it be a problem it there was a machine somewhere that still thought it
was a member of the domain? Could it be that some machine still thinks it is
on the domain even with the dc gone? How would I go about finding this
computer. We have hundreds that used to be on the domain. I really don't
want to go one by one trying to find out which one is the problematic one.
Thanks in advance for your expertise and help

Brett Evanson


On 10/3/05 11:19 AM, in article dKd0f.702$YH6.12@trnddc06, "A. Feiner"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> Were the machine ever removed from the domain?

What exactly do you mean by "see the computers"? Do you mean in Network
Neighborhood/My network Places?

You should be able to see every machine which has at least one file
shared. In the worst case, you may have to run the network setup wizard on
each machine.

Brett Evanson wrote:
> The machines were set up as workgroup members instead of domain
> members. Would it be a problem it there was a machine somewhere that
> still thought it was a member of the domain? Could it be that some
> machine still thinks it is on the domain even with the dc gone? How
> would I go about finding this computer. We have hundreds that used to
> be on the domain. I really don't want to go one by one trying to find
> out which one is the problematic one. Thanks in advance for your
> expertise and help
>
> Brett Evanson
>
>
> On 10/3/05 11:19 AM, in article dKd0f.702$YH6.12@trnddc06, "A. Feiner"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> Were the machine ever removed from the domain?

I try and go to "view workgroup computers" from the my network places, and
it stalls for a second and then says i don't have permission. there
shouldn't be permission issues because they are just plain shared. there
isn't a domain controller giving permission to see the workgroup computers.
that is, if i am thinking right. once i can see the computers, i can deal
with individual password issues, but i think the problem lies somewhere with
a residual computer thinking it has some connection with the domain math and
not the workgroup math. am i thinking this through right? if i am, how do i
go about finding which computer it is?

Brett

"Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> What exactly do you mean by "see the computers"? Do you mean in
> Network
> Neighborhood/My network Places?
>
> You should be able to see every machine which has at least one file
> shared. In the worst case, you may have to run the network setup wizard on
> each machine.
>
> Brett Evanson wrote:
>> The machines were set up as workgroup members instead of domain
>> members. Would it be a problem it there was a machine somewhere that
>> still thought it was a member of the domain? Could it be that some
>> machine still thinks it is on the domain even with the dc gone? How
>> would I go about finding this computer. We have hundreds that used to
>> be on the domain. I really don't want to go one by one trying to find
>> out which one is the problematic one. Thanks in advance for your
>> expertise and help
>>
>> Brett Evanson
>>
>>
>> On 10/3/05 11:19 AM, in article dKd0f.702$YH6.12@trnddc06, "A. Feiner"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> Were the machine ever removed from the domain?
>
>

No. A machine still in a domain would not cause that problem. A domain
and a workgroup can exist on the same segment. They would appear as two
separate entities.

All of this is driven by the computer browser service. Do you still have
the servers there, running as workgroup servers? You will need to recreate
the shares after they have been demoted.


Brett Evanson wrote:
> I try and go to "view workgroup computers" from the my network
> places, and it stalls for a second and then says i don't have
> permission. there shouldn't be permission issues because they are
> just plain shared. there isn't a domain controller giving permission
> to see the workgroup computers. that is, if i am thinking right. once
> i can see the computers, i can deal with individual password issues,
> but i think the problem lies somewhere with a residual computer
> thinking it has some connection with the domain math and not the
> workgroup math. am i thinking this through right? if i am, how do i
> go about finding which computer it is?
>
> Brett
>
> "Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> What exactly do you mean by "see the computers"? Do you mean in
>> Network
>> Neighborhood/My network Places?
>>
>> You should be able to see every machine which has at least one
>> file shared. In the worst case, you may have to run the network
>> setup wizard on each machine.
>>
>> Brett Evanson wrote:
>>> The machines were set up as workgroup members instead of domain
>>> members. Would it be a problem it there was a machine somewhere that
>>> still thought it was a member of the domain? Could it be that some
>>> machine still thinks it is on the domain even with the dc gone? How
>>> would I go about finding this computer. We have hundreds that used
>>> to be on the domain. I really don't want to go one by one trying to
>>> find out which one is the problematic one. Thanks in advance for
>>> your expertise and help
>>>
>>> Brett Evanson
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/3/05 11:19 AM, in article dKd0f.702$YH6.12@trnddc06, "A.
>>> Feiner" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Were the machine ever removed from the domain?

We don't have a workgroup server. I thought you didn't need one. The shares
we are trying to access are on each individual computer. Sounds like I might
be doing something wrong. Thanks in advance for your help.

Brett Evanson


"Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> No. A machine still in a domain would not cause that problem. A domain
> and a workgroup can exist on the same segment. They would appear as two
> separate entities.
>
> All of this is driven by the computer browser service. Do you still
> have
> the servers there, running as workgroup servers? You will need to recreate
> the shares after they have been demoted.
>
>
> Brett Evanson wrote:
>> I try and go to "view workgroup computers" from the my network
>> places, and it stalls for a second and then says i don't have
>> permission. there shouldn't be permission issues because they are
>> just plain shared. there isn't a domain controller giving permission
>> to see the workgroup computers. that is, if i am thinking right. once
>> i can see the computers, i can deal with individual password issues,
>> but i think the problem lies somewhere with a residual computer
>> thinking it has some connection with the domain math and not the
>> workgroup math. am i thinking this through right? if i am, how do i
>> go about finding which computer it is?
>>
>> Brett
>>
>> "Bill Grant" <not.available@online> wrote in message
>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> What exactly do you mean by "see the computers"? Do you mean in
>>> Network
>>> Neighborhood/My network Places?
>>>
>>> You should be able to see every machine which has at least one
>>> file shared. In the worst case, you may have to run the network
>>> setup wizard on each machine.
>>>
>>> Brett Evanson wrote:
>>>> The machines were set up as workgroup members instead of domain
>>>> members. Would it be a problem it there was a machine somewhere that
>>>> still thought it was a member of the domain? Could it be that some
>>>> machine still thinks it is on the domain even with the dc gone? How
>>>> would I go about finding this computer. We have hundreds that used
>>>> to be on the domain. I really don't want to go one by one trying to
>>>> find out which one is the problematic one. Thanks in advance for
>>>> your expertise and help
>>>>
>>>> Brett Evanson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10/3/05 11:19 AM, in article dKd0f.702$YH6.12@trnddc06, "A.
>>>> Feiner" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Were the machine ever removed from the domain?
>
>