WLAN at home and ICS

The situation takes place in block of flats. I'd like to have following
configuration: from my ISP I have Internet in a UTP-5 cable. It's connected
to hub which is located neer entrance door. To this hub there are connected
other cables which goes out of my flat to other users I share connection
with. Also from this hub there is a cable to my computer which works as a
router. This is done. I'd like to echcange this inner (in my flat) part of
network into wireless one to avoid putting cables and sockets into each
room. What parts (kind) should I use? Do I need AP?

Paul

An AP is for connecting to a wired network (infrastructure mode), whilst
AdHoc mode just connects PC together for a meeting or such like,
You need to give more info on what you R trying 2 achieve!



"Pawel" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> The situation takes place in block of flats. I'd like to have following
> configuration: from my ISP I have Internet in a UTP-5 cable. It's
connected
> to hub which is located neer entrance door. To this hub there are
connected
> other cables which goes out of my flat to other users I share connection
> with. Also from this hub there is a cable to my computer which works as a
> router. This is done. I'd like to echcange this inner (in my flat) part of
> network into wireless one to avoid putting cables and sockets into each
> room. What parts (kind) should I use? Do I need AP?
>
> Paul
>
>

My understanding is that you want to add new PCs in your flat and shere your
internet conection with them.
For this, you will need an AP connected to the existing hub and wlan cards
in each PC.

If you want to replace all existing wired connection, I suggest you use a
wifi router instead of an AP. The price is almost the same and you will not
require a PC to be always up and running.

Rgds
Cédric

"Pawel" <(E-Mail Removed)> a écrit dans le message de news:
bqk81k$78q$(E-Mail Removed)...
> The situation takes place in block of flats. I'd like to have following
> configuration: from my ISP I have Internet in a UTP-5 cable. It's
connected
> to hub which is located neer entrance door. To this hub there are
connected
> other cables which goes out of my flat to other users I share connection
> with. Also from this hub there is a cable to my computer which works as a
> router. This is done. I'd like to echcange this inner (in my flat) part of
> network into wireless one to avoid putting cables and sockets into each
> room. What parts (kind) should I use? Do I need AP?
>
> Paul
>
>

> My understanding is that you want to add new PCs in your flat and shere
your
> internet conection with them.

Not really. The network exists and outside my flat will be as is. I need to
remove cables from my own flat only.

> For this, you will need an AP connected to the existing hub and wlan cards
> in each PC.

But if I have only one PC? And quite near hub (max 30m but may be in a
different room)?

>
> If you want to replace all existing wired connection, I suggest you use a
> wifi router instead of an AP. The price is almost the same and you will
not
> require a PC to be always up and running.

So do I need AP and a wire network card or only 2 cards?

Paul
>
> Rgds
> Cédric
>
> "Pawel" <(E-Mail Removed)> a écrit dans le message de news:
> bqk81k$78q$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > The situation takes place in block of flats. I'd like to have following
> > configuration: from my ISP I have Internet in a UTP-5 cable. It's
> connected
> > to hub which is located neer entrance door. To this hub there are
> connected
> > other cables which goes out of my flat to other users I share connection
> > with. Also from this hub there is a cable to my computer which works as
a
> > router. This is done. I'd like to echcange this inner (in my flat) part
of
> > network into wireless one to avoid putting cables and sockets into each
> > room. What parts (kind) should I use? Do I need AP?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
>
>

> An AP is for connecting to a wired network (infrastructure mode), whilst
> AdHoc mode just connects PC together for a meeting or such like,
> You need to give more info on what you R trying 2 achieve!
>
I want to get rid of all cables in my flat only. The ones laying outside
will remain. With as less costs as possible. Let's say I need to lenghten a
cable from my ISP by air.

Paul

Sometime before 03 Dec 2003, Pawel stated:

> The situation takes place in block of flats. I'd like to have following
> configuration: from my ISP I have Internet in a UTP-5 cable. It's
> connected to hub which is located neer entrance door. To this hub there
> are connected other cables which goes out of my flat to other users I
> share connection with. Also from this hub there is a cable to my
> computer which works as a router. This is done. I'd like to echcange
> this inner (in my flat) part of network into wireless one to avoid
> putting cables and sockets into each room. What parts (kind) should I
> use? Do I need AP?
>
> Paul
>
>

The cheap and risky way: You'll need a wireless card for each computer you
want to use and a wireless access point. Plug the AP (access point) into
the hub and the wireless card into your computer... surf away with great
risk to security and the possibility of having your wireless AP hijacked.

The secure way would involve this:

- A wireless access point

- A wireless card for each computer as desired

- A dedicated firewall device or firewall computer

- A crossover cable

- If you use a dedicated firewall computer, then you'll also need

- two network cards in it

- firewall software--Windows XP has the software built in

If you're doing the firewall-only route, plug the appropriate port directly
into the shared hub with a standard cable then use the crossover cable to
plug the firewall into the AP.

Same kind of thing with the firewall server machine, but you'll need to
actually enable the firewall on the outside NIC. THe benefit of using the
dedicated machine is that you can properly do configurations and firmware
updates on the wireless AP (and it will need it). Can't do firmware updates
over the wireless connection on most wireless APs.


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"John Shirley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Sometime before 03 Dec 2003, Pawel stated:
>
> > The situation takes place in block of flats. I'd like to have following
> > configuration: from my ISP I have Internet in a UTP-5 cable. It's
> > connected to hub which is located neer entrance door. To this hub there
> > are connected other cables which goes out of my flat to other users I
> > share connection with. Also from this hub there is a cable to my
> > computer which works as a router. This is done. I'd like to echcange
> > this inner (in my flat) part of network into wireless one to avoid
> > putting cables and sockets into each room. What parts (kind) should I
> > use? Do I need AP?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
>
> The cheap and risky way: You'll need a wireless card for each computer
you
> want to use and a wireless access point. Plug the AP (access point) into
> the hub and the wireless card into your computer... surf away with great
> risk to security and the possibility of having your wireless AP hijacked.
>
> The secure way would involve this:
>
> - A wireless access point
>
> - A wireless card for each computer as desired
>
> - A dedicated firewall device or firewall computer
>
> - A crossover cable
>
> - If you use a dedicated firewall computer, then you'll also need
>
> - two network cards in it
>
> - firewall software--Windows XP has the software built in
>
> If you're doing the firewall-only route, plug the appropriate port
directly
> into the shared hub with a standard cable then use the crossover cable to
> plug the firewall into the AP.
>
> Same kind of thing with the firewall server machine, but you'll need to
> actually enable the firewall on the outside NIC. THe benefit of using the
> dedicated machine is that you can properly do configurations and firmware
> updates on the wireless AP (and it will need it). Can't do firmware
updates
> over the wireless connection on most wireless APs.

He says he has only one host in his flat. He can run the firewall on the
host itself - and I do agree that he should. He only needs one wireless NIC
and an AP. To configure the AP, just connect an Ethernet cable from the host
when needed - bypass the wifi.

That said, I think he should pop for a router. This will provide more
flexibility for the future, if he adds any hosts, for example.

>
>
> --
> John Shirley
> Remove SPAM SUCKS to E-mail

Sometime before 03 Dec 2003, gary stated:

>
> "John Shirley" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:Xns9446449B0C48Besthermofetcomcastne@216.196. 97.136...
>> Sometime before 03 Dec 2003, Pawel stated:
>>
>> > The situation takes place in block of flats. I'd like to have
>> > following configuration: from my ISP I have Internet in a UTP-5
>> > cable. It's connected to hub which is located neer entrance door. To
>> > this hub there are connected other cables which goes out of my flat
>> > to other users I share connection with. Also from this hub there is
>> > a cable to my computer which works as a router. This is done. I'd
>> > like to echcange this inner (in my flat) part of network into
>> > wireless one to avoid putting cables and sockets into each room.
>> > What parts (kind) should I use? Do I need AP?
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> >
>>
>> The cheap and risky way: You'll need a wireless card for each
>> computer you want to use and a wireless access point. Plug the AP
>> (access point) into the hub and the wireless card into your
>> computer... surf away with great risk to security and the possibility
>> of having your wireless AP hijacked.
>>
>> The secure way would involve this:
>>
>> - A wireless access point
>>
>> - A wireless card for each computer as desired
>>
>> - A dedicated firewall device or firewall computer
>>
>> - A crossover cable
>>
>> - If you use a dedicated firewall computer, then you'll also need
>>
>> - two network cards in it
>>
>> - firewall software--Windows XP has the software built in
>>
>> If you're doing the firewall-only route, plug the appropriate port
>> directly into the shared hub with a standard cable then use the
>> crossover cable to plug the firewall into the AP.
>>
>> Same kind of thing with the firewall server machine, but you'll need
>> to actually enable the firewall on the outside NIC. THe benefit of
>> using the dedicated machine is that you can properly do configurations
>> and firmware updates on the wireless AP (and it will need it). Can't
>> do firmware updates over the wireless connection on most wireless APs.
>
> He says he has only one host in his flat. He can run the firewall on
> the host itself - and I do agree that he should. He only needs one
> wireless NIC and an AP. To configure the AP, just connect an Ethernet
> cable from the host when needed - bypass the wifi.
>
> That said, I think he should pop for a router. This will provide more
> flexibility for the future, if he adds any hosts, for example.
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> John Shirley
>> Remove SPAM SUCKS to E-mail
>
>

No, he said that there's a shared hub that goes out to everybody else. That
means that anybody connected to it can see the rest of the machines on it.
It would be unwise to just plug an AP directly into that hub (or even to
plug a computer without a firewall directly into it) because the AP's
ethernet connection will be visible and hackable.

I can't count the number of times that I've had to go to a job site or
somebody's home or somebody's business to fix an insecure ad hoc network job
installed by some joker who knew "all about computers" or knew "all about
networks". I've also spent more than a fair amount of time repairing the
damage caused by not locking a network down properly.

Fine, convince him that it's okay to do it the cheap way; save him a bit of
money now. Somebody like me will eventully have to fix it at a higher
charge after it gets hacked or falls apart because of poor planning.

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