Wiring question

I am attempting to put a phone (RJ-11) and a data jack (RJ-45) into
the same wall outlet.

The wiring will also have to share the hole within the wall with
speaker wires (for 4 surround speakers) as well.

Because the hole in the joist appears to be pretty small, I need to
minimize the cabling that goes through the whole.

Q) Is there cable with 10 wires (2 for the phone line and 8 for the
data line)? Is there a danger in combining both into a single line?

My plan is to split the cable with dual splice - 2 wires for the voice
that go to the phone box and 8 wires that will go to the
switch/hub/router/whatever. Is this being clever or am I asking for
trouble?

I hop that I can also get two 4-wire speaker cable through the same
whole, as that is the primary point of doing this whole thing...

AFJ

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:47:37 -0500, Air Force Jayhawk
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I am attempting to put a phone (RJ-11) and a data jack (RJ-45) into
>the same wall outlet.
>
>The wiring will also have to share the hole within the wall with
>speaker wires (for 4 surround speakers) as well.
>
>Because the hole in the joist appears to be pretty small, I need to
>minimize the cabling that goes through the whole.
>
>Q) Is there cable with 10 wires (2 for the phone line and 8 for the
>data line)? Is there a danger in combining both into a single line?
>
>My plan is to split the cable with dual splice - 2 wires for the voice
>that go to the phone box and 8 wires that will go to the
>switch/hub/router/whatever. Is this being clever or am I asking for
>trouble?
>
>I hop that I can also get two 4-wire speaker cable through the same
>whole, as that is the primary point of doing this whole thing...
>
>AFJ

A five-pair network/POTS cable seems like solving the least of your problems,
unless you're going really cheap on those audio cables.

So make a bigger hole in the joist!

Invest in a drill extension rod for about five bucks and a 5/8 or 3/4" spade
bit for a couple of bucks and go nuts. Make sure the drill is grounded in case
you whack a main line (btdt, shit happens ;-) Don't trash the wall surface
outside of what gets covered by the wall plate and you'll be way ahead of
random "professionals".

/daytripper

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:18:12 GMT, daytripper
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:47:37 -0500, Air Force Jayhawk
><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>I am attempting to put a phone (RJ-11) and a data jack (RJ-45) into
>>the same wall outlet.
>>
>>The wiring will also have to share the hole within the wall with
>>speaker wires (for 4 surround speakers) as well.
>>
>>Because the hole in the joist appears to be pretty small, I need to
>>minimize the cabling that goes through the whole.
>>
>>Q) Is there cable with 10 wires (2 for the phone line and 8 for the
>>data line)? Is there a danger in combining both into a single line?
>>
>>My plan is to split the cable with dual splice - 2 wires for the voice
>>that go to the phone box and 8 wires that will go to the
>>switch/hub/router/whatever. Is this being clever or am I asking for
>>trouble?
>>
>>I hop that I can also get two 4-wire speaker cable through the same
>>whole, as that is the primary point of doing this whole thing...
>>
>>AFJ
>
>A five-pair network/POTS cable seems like solving the least of your problems,
>unless you're going really cheap on those audio cables.
>
>So make a bigger hole in the joist!
>
>Invest in a drill extension rod for about five bucks and a 5/8 or 3/4" spade
>bit for a couple of bucks and go nuts. Make sure the drill is grounded in case
>you whack a main line (btdt, shit happens ;-) Don't trash the wall surface
>outside of what gets covered by the wall plate and you'll be way ahead of
>random "professionals".
>
>/daytripper

I haven't seen any drill extension long enough. I have to reach the
joist from the plug...about 7 feet.

AFJ

They do make extensions that long, but you probably can't justify the cost
on such a small project. Check your local rent-all place.

--Dan

"Air Force Jayhawk" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:18:12 GMT, daytripper
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:47:37 -0500, Air Force Jayhawk
> ><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> >>I am attempting to put a phone (RJ-11) and a data jack (RJ-45) into
> >>the same wall outlet.
> >>
> >>The wiring will also have to share the hole within the wall with
> >>speaker wires (for 4 surround speakers) as well.
> >>
> >>Because the hole in the joist appears to be pretty small, I need to
> >>minimize the cabling that goes through the whole.
> >>
> >>Q) Is there cable with 10 wires (2 for the phone line and 8 for the
> >>data line)? Is there a danger in combining both into a single line?
> >>
> >>My plan is to split the cable with dual splice - 2 wires for the voice
> >>that go to the phone box and 8 wires that will go to the
> >>switch/hub/router/whatever. Is this being clever or am I asking for
> >>trouble?
> >>
> >>I hop that I can also get two 4-wire speaker cable through the same
> >>whole, as that is the primary point of doing this whole thing...
> >>
> >>AFJ
> >
> >A five-pair network/POTS cable seems like solving the least of your
problems,
> >unless you're going really cheap on those audio cables.
> >
> >So make a bigger hole in the joist!
> >
> >Invest in a drill extension rod for about five bucks and a 5/8 or 3/4"
spade
> >bit for a couple of bucks and go nuts. Make sure the drill is grounded in
case
> >you whack a main line (btdt, shit happens ;-) Don't trash the wall
surface
> >outside of what gets covered by the wall plate and you'll be way ahead of
> >random "professionals".
> >
> >/daytripper
>
> I haven't seen any drill extension long enough. I have to reach the
> joist from the plug...about 7 feet.
>
> AFJ
>

On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 00:23:35 GMT, "dg" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>"Air Force Jayhawk" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed).. .
>> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 22:18:12 GMT, daytripper
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 16:47:37 -0500, Air Force Jayhawk
>> ><(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> >
>> >>I am attempting to put a phone (RJ-11) and a data jack (RJ-45) into
>> >>the same wall outlet.
>> >>
>> >>The wiring will also have to share the hole within the wall with
>> >>speaker wires (for 4 surround speakers) as well.
>> >>
>> >>Because the hole in the joist appears to be pretty small, I need to
>> >>minimize the cabling that goes through the whole.
>> >>
>> >>Q) Is there cable with 10 wires (2 for the phone line and 8 for the
>> >>data line)? Is there a danger in combining both into a single line?
>> >>
>> >>My plan is to split the cable with dual splice - 2 wires for the voice
>> >>that go to the phone box and 8 wires that will go to the
>> >>switch/hub/router/whatever. Is this being clever or am I asking for
>> >>trouble?
>> >>
>> >>I hop that I can also get two 4-wire speaker cable through the same
>> >>whole, as that is the primary point of doing this whole thing...
>> >>
>> >>AFJ
>> >
>> >A five-pair network/POTS cable seems like solving the least of your
>problems,
>> >unless you're going really cheap on those audio cables.
>> >
>> >So make a bigger hole in the joist!
>> >
>> >Invest in a drill extension rod for about five bucks and a 5/8 or 3/4"
>spade
>> >bit for a couple of bucks and go nuts. Make sure the drill is grounded in
>case
>> >you whack a main line (btdt, shit happens ;-) Don't trash the wall
>surface
>> >outside of what gets covered by the wall plate and you'll be way ahead of
>> >random "professionals".
>> >
>> >/daytripper
>>
>> I haven't seen any drill extension long enough. I have to reach the
>> joist from the plug...about 7 feet.
>
>They do make extensions that long, but you probably can't justify the cost
>on such a small project. Check your local rent-all place.

I thought I responded to this, but the solution is cheap: more drill
extensions. The ones I use are 24" long, I've often used both together. A
couple of more would do the job - and they only cost a couple of bucks each...

/daytripper

Use a WireMold box and surface raceway. You'll be done in 5 minutes.

"Air Force Jayhawk" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> I haven't seen any drill extension long enough. I have to reach the
> joist from the plug...about 7 feet.
>
> AFJ

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:08:57 -0500, "Tony Ingenoso" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:
>"Air Force Jayhawk" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>
>> I haven't seen any drill extension long enough. I have to reach the
>> joist from the plug...about 7 feet.

>Use a WireMold box and surface raceway. You'll be done in 5 minutes.

Uh huh. And he'll be hearing about it for the rest of his life...

/daytripper (Tony, you must be single ;-)

WireMold, (the metallic kind) is also an effective faraday cage and will eliminate a lot of noise from any adjacent Romex cable in
the bay. It may be less esthetic, but its effective and fast for someone lacking a lot of fishing experience. If its a new place
or modular with that sprayed on foam insulation, fishing through that is near impossible.

"daytripper" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> >Use a WireMold box and surface raceway. You'll be done in 5 minutes.
>
> Uh huh. And he'll be hearing about it for the rest of his life...
>
> /daytripper (Tony, you must be single ;-)