Wiring problem?

I have just bought a new Belkin Wireless G Router, which has connections
on the back that look like large telephone adaptors X 4 for
connections to computers, and one for connection to modem, ( and power
and USB printer). I have Windows XP Home. I have a Motorola SB 4100
modem which, at present, I connect to my main computer with a wire that
has a USB at the computer end, and a ?slightly fatter squarer connection
at the modem end: the modem also has one of the thicker telephone type
sockets, which i dont use at present, and the internet comes down a wire
with an aerial type fitting! ( heaven help me ) I have a Gigabit Card
which has a thicker type telephone opening on the back of my computer.
Is that all clear!!?

Now I have tried connecting the telephone type opening on the modem, to
the Gigabyte opening on the computer, and nothing happens. I can only
seem to pass information from the modem to the computer through the
USB/thicker type connection. But the Belkin does not have a USB connection.

Can I buy a cable that will do the job, or am I missing something. I
feel too embarrassed to go to the shop at present coz the salesman gave
me the impression it would be a doddle to set up!!

Thanks for any advice, and sorry I dont have the correct terms for the
type of connections etc.


CJ

CJ wrote:

> I have just bought a new Belkin Wireless G Router, which has
> connections
> on the back that look like large telephone adaptors X 4 for
> connections to computers, and one for connection to modem, ( and power
> and USB printer). I have Windows XP Home. I have a Motorola SB 4100
> modem which, at present, I connect to my main computer with a wire
> that has a USB at the computer end, and a ?slightly fatter squarer
> connection at the modem end: the modem also has one of the thicker
> telephone type sockets, which i dont use at present, and the internet
> comes down a wire with an aerial type fitting! ( heaven help me ) I
> have a Gigabit Card which has a thicker type telephone opening on the
> back of my computer. Is that all clear!!?
>
> Now I have tried connecting the telephone type opening on the modem,
> to the Gigabyte opening on the computer, and nothing happens. I can
> only seem to pass information from the modem to the computer through
> the USB/thicker type connection. But the Belkin does not have a USB
> connection.
>
> Can I buy a cable that will do the job, or am I missing something. I
> feel too embarrassed to go to the shop at present coz the salesman
> gave me the impression it would be a doddle to set up!!
>
> Thanks for any advice, and sorry I dont have the correct terms for the
> type of connections etc.

Don't be embarrassed. It's OK not to know this stuff; we all have our
areas of expertise. This is your modem, right?

http://broadband.motorola.com/noflash/sb4100.html

First of all, it is always better to connect your modem with ethernet,
not usb. Since the modem has an ethernet connection and your computer
has an ethernet card, this is what you'll use. So do this first to make
sure you have Internet connectivity:

1. Remove the usb cable from the modem to your computer.
2. Connect an ethernet cable (cat 5e) from your modem to your computer.
3. You will then have two cables connected to the modem - one going from
the DSL port to the telephone jack and one going from the ethernet
(lan) port to your computer's ethernet network adapter. Probably an
ethernet cable came with your Belkin and you can use that for this at
this time. Make sure you leave the DSL cable plugged into the correct
port on the modem going to the telephone wall jack.

You may need to reboot your computer. You should now have Internet
connectivity and I'll assume you do. You may have used the wrong type
of cable when you tried before. You will need to have a total of two
ethernet cables to set up the router so if an ethernet cable didn't
come with the router (and it probably did), you'll need to buy one.

Now you can set up your Belkin according to the directions it came with.
You will be leaving the DSL cable on the modem alone and connecting the
ethernet cable from the modem's ethernet port to the Internet port on
the router. You'll connect the second ethernet cable from one of the
router's lan ports to your computer's ethernet network adapter.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Malke wrote:
> CJ wrote:
>
>
>>I have just bought a new Belkin Wireless G Router, which has
>>connections
>> on the back that look like large telephone adaptors X 4 for
>>connections to computers, and one for connection to modem, ( and power
>>and USB printer). I have Windows XP Home. I have a Motorola SB 4100
>>modem which, at present, I connect to my main computer with a wire
>>that has a USB at the computer end, and a ?slightly fatter squarer
>>connection at the modem end: the modem also has one of the thicker
>>telephone type sockets, which i dont use at present, and the internet
>>comes down a wire with an aerial type fitting! ( heaven help me ) I
>>have a Gigabit Card which has a thicker type telephone opening on the
>>back of my computer. Is that all clear!!?
>>
>>Now I have tried connecting the telephone type opening on the modem,
>>to the Gigabyte opening on the computer, and nothing happens. I can
>>only seem to pass information from the modem to the computer through
>>the USB/thicker type connection. But the Belkin does not have a USB
>>connection.
>>
>>Can I buy a cable that will do the job, or am I missing something. I
>>feel too embarrassed to go to the shop at present coz the salesman
>>gave me the impression it would be a doddle to set up!!
>>
>>Thanks for any advice, and sorry I dont have the correct terms for the
>>type of connections etc.
>
>
> Don't be embarrassed. It's OK not to know this stuff; we all have our
> areas of expertise. This is your modem, right?
>
> http://broadband.motorola.com/noflash/sb4100.html
>
> First of all, it is always better to connect your modem with ethernet,
> not usb. Since the modem has an ethernet connection and your computer
> has an ethernet card, this is what you'll use. So do this first to make
> sure you have Internet connectivity:
>
> 1. Remove the usb cable from the modem to your computer.
> 2. Connect an ethernet cable (cat 5e) from your modem to your computer.
> 3. You will then have two cables connected to the modem - one going from
> the DSL port to the telephone jack and one going from the ethernet
> (lan) port to your computer's ethernet network adapter. Probably an
> ethernet cable came with your Belkin and you can use that for this at
> this time. Make sure you leave the DSL cable plugged into the correct
> port on the modem going to the telephone wall jack.
>
> You may need to reboot your computer. You should now have Internet
> connectivity and I'll assume you do. You may have used the wrong type
> of cable when you tried before. You will need to have a total of two
> ethernet cables to set up the router so if an ethernet cable didn't
> come with the router (and it probably did), you'll need to buy one.
>
> Now you can set up your Belkin according to the directions it came with.
> You will be leaving the DSL cable on the modem alone and connecting the
> ethernet cable from the modem's ethernet port to the Internet port on
> the router. You'll connect the second ethernet cable from one of the
> router's lan ports to your computer's ethernet network adapter.
>
> Malke


Thank you for your quick reply. Fortunately, I had a spare Ethernet to
Ethernet cable, so I could set it up as you suggested. However, there
was NOT connectivity.

When I used the Ethernet cable, to either connect directly to the
computer, or through the router, my computer would not "see" the modem
in the device manager,therefore would not load up the internet, but as
soon as I used the USB cable, it did. Does that mean that the Ethernet
slot in the modem is defective, or that it is a bit old, and I need to
update? I am thinking that I might take the router back( only just
opened) and ask to have one with a combined modem and router, would that
be reasonable.

Thanks again for your help


CJ

"CJ" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Malke wrote:
>> CJ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I have just bought a new Belkin Wireless G Router, which has
>>>connections
>>> on the back that look like large telephone adaptors X 4 for
>>>connections to computers, and one for connection to modem, ( and power
>>>and USB printer). I have Windows XP Home. I have a Motorola SB 4100
>>>modem which, at present, I connect to my main computer with a wire
>>>that has a USB at the computer end, and a ?slightly fatter squarer
>>>connection at the modem end: the modem also has one of the thicker
>>>telephone type sockets, which i dont use at present, and the internet
>>>comes down a wire with an aerial type fitting! ( heaven help me ) I
>>>have a Gigabit Card which has a thicker type telephone opening on the
>>>back of my computer. Is that all clear!!?
>>>
>>>Now I have tried connecting the telephone type opening on the modem,
>>>to the Gigabyte opening on the computer, and nothing happens. I can
>>>only seem to pass information from the modem to the computer through
>>>the USB/thicker type connection. But the Belkin does not have a USB
>>>connection.
>>>
>>>Can I buy a cable that will do the job, or am I missing something. I
>>>feel too embarrassed to go to the shop at present coz the salesman
>>>gave me the impression it would be a doddle to set up!!
>>>
>>>Thanks for any advice, and sorry I dont have the correct terms for the
>>>type of connections etc.
>>
>>
>> Don't be embarrassed. It's OK not to know this stuff; we all have our
>> areas of expertise. This is your modem, right?
>>
>> http://broadband.motorola.com/noflash/sb4100.html
>>
>> First of all, it is always better to connect your modem with ethernet,
>> not usb. Since the modem has an ethernet connection and your computer
>> has an ethernet card, this is what you'll use. So do this first to make
>> sure you have Internet connectivity:
>>
>> 1. Remove the usb cable from the modem to your computer.
>> 2. Connect an ethernet cable (cat 5e) from your modem to your computer.
>> 3. You will then have two cables connected to the modem - one going from
>> the DSL port to the telephone jack and one going from the ethernet
>> (lan) port to your computer's ethernet network adapter. Probably an
>> ethernet cable came with your Belkin and you can use that for this at
>> this time. Make sure you leave the DSL cable plugged into the correct
>> port on the modem going to the telephone wall jack.
>>
>> You may need to reboot your computer. You should now have Internet
>> connectivity and I'll assume you do. You may have used the wrong type
>> of cable when you tried before. You will need to have a total of two
>> ethernet cables to set up the router so if an ethernet cable didn't
>> come with the router (and it probably did), you'll need to buy one.
>>
>> Now you can set up your Belkin according to the directions it came with.
>> You will be leaving the DSL cable on the modem alone and connecting the
>> ethernet cable from the modem's ethernet port to the Internet port on
>> the router. You'll connect the second ethernet cable from one of the
>> router's lan ports to your computer's ethernet network adapter.
>>
>> Malke
>
>
> Thank you for your quick reply. Fortunately, I had a spare Ethernet to
> Ethernet cable, so I could set it up as you suggested. However, there was
> NOT connectivity.
>
> When I used the Ethernet cable, to either connect directly to the
> computer, or through the router, my computer would not "see" the modem in
> the device manager,therefore would not load up the internet, but as soon
> as I used the USB cable, it did. Does that mean that the Ethernet slot in
> the modem is defective, or that it is a bit old, and I need to update? I
> am thinking that I might take the router back( only just opened) and ask
> to have one with a combined modem and router, would that be reasonable.
>
> Thanks again for your help
>
>
> CJ
>
>


I suspect that you might have to load some software for the ethernet card to
see the modem. Did you get a CD with it? If not, or you have lost it, go to
the manufacturers web site and see if you can down load it.

Gordon wrote:
>
>> Thank you for your quick reply. Fortunately, I had a spare Ethernet
>> to Ethernet cable, so I could set it up as you suggested. However,
>> there was NOT connectivity.
>>
>> When I used the Ethernet cable, to either connect directly to the
>> computer, or through the router, my computer would not "see" the
>> modem in the device manager,therefore would not load up the internet,
>> but as soon as I used the USB cable, it did. Does that mean that the
>> Ethernet slot in the modem is defective, or that it is a bit old, and
>> I need to update? I am thinking that I might take the router back(
>> only just opened) and ask to have one with a combined modem and
>> router, would that be reasonable.

> I suspect that you might have to load some software for the ethernet
> card to see the modem. Did you get a CD with it? If not, or you have
> lost it, go to the manufacturers web site and see if you can down load
> it.

I think that Gordon is probably right. If you don't have anything that
came with the modem, I would call your ISP who will walk you through
it. It is important that you use ethernet to connect the modem to the
router (and so right now the modem to the computer), or I wouldn't
torture you with doing this.

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

CJ wrote:

> Malke wrote:
>
>> CJ wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I have just bought a new Belkin Wireless G Router, which has
>>> connections
>>> on the back that look like large telephone adaptors X 4 for
>>> connections to computers, and one for connection to modem, ( and power
>>> and USB printer). I have Windows XP Home. I have a Motorola SB 4100
>>> modem which, at present, I connect to my main computer with a wire
>>> that has a USB at the computer end, and a ?slightly fatter squarer
>>> connection at the modem end: the modem also has one of the thicker
>>> telephone type sockets, which i dont use at present, and the internet
>>> comes down a wire with an aerial type fitting! ( heaven help me ) I
>>> have a Gigabit Card which has a thicker type telephone opening on the
>>> back of my computer. Is that all clear!!?
>>>
>>> Now I have tried connecting the telephone type opening on the modem,
>>> to the Gigabyte opening on the computer, and nothing happens. I can
>>> only seem to pass information from the modem to the computer through
>>> the USB/thicker type connection. But the Belkin does not have a USB
>>> connection.
>>>
>>> Can I buy a cable that will do the job, or am I missing something. I
>>> feel too embarrassed to go to the shop at present coz the salesman
>>> gave me the impression it would be a doddle to set up!!
>>>
>>> Thanks for any advice, and sorry I dont have the correct terms for the
>>> type of connections etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't be embarrassed. It's OK not to know this stuff; we all have our
>> areas of expertise. This is your modem, right?
>>
>> http://broadband.motorola.com/noflash/sb4100.html
>>
>> First of all, it is always better to connect your modem with ethernet,
>> not usb. Since the modem has an ethernet connection and your computer
>> has an ethernet card, this is what you'll use. So do this first to make
>> sure you have Internet connectivity:
>>
>> 1. Remove the usb cable from the modem to your computer.
>> 2. Connect an ethernet cable (cat 5e) from your modem to your computer.
>> 3. You will then have two cables connected to the modem - one going from
>> the DSL port to the telephone jack and one going from the ethernet
>> (lan) port to your computer's ethernet network adapter. Probably an
>> ethernet cable came with your Belkin and you can use that for this at
>> this time. Make sure you leave the DSL cable plugged into the correct
>> port on the modem going to the telephone wall jack.
>>
>> You may need to reboot your computer. You should now have Internet
>> connectivity and I'll assume you do. You may have used the wrong type
>> of cable when you tried before. You will need to have a total of two
>> ethernet cables to set up the router so if an ethernet cable didn't
>> come with the router (and it probably did), you'll need to buy one.
>>
>> Now you can set up your Belkin according to the directions it came with.
>> You will be leaving the DSL cable on the modem alone and connecting the
>> ethernet cable from the modem's ethernet port to the Internet port on
>> the router. You'll connect the second ethernet cable from one of the
>> router's lan ports to your computer's ethernet network adapter.
>>
>> Malke
>
>
>
> Thank you for your quick reply. Fortunately, I had a spare Ethernet to
> Ethernet cable, so I could set it up as you suggested. However, there
> was NOT connectivity.
>
> When I used the Ethernet cable, to either connect directly to the
> computer, or through the router, my computer would not "see" the modem
> in the device manager,therefore would not load up the internet, but as
> soon as I used the USB cable, it did. Does that mean that the Ethernet
> slot in the modem is defective, or that it is a bit old, and I need to
> update? I am thinking that I might take the router back( only just
> opened) and ask to have one with a combined modem and router, would that
> be reasonable.
>
> Thanks again for your help
>
>
> CJ
>
>
In addition to Gordon's and Malke's suggestions, also make sure that
your Ethernet adapter is turned on. Go to Start > Control Panel >
Network and Internet Connections > Network Connections.

You should see an icon for "Local Area Connection." Does it say
"Connected," "Disconnected," or "Disabled"? Right click on the icon and
if there is a menu item to "enable" click on that. If it alread is
enabled, click on "properties" and let us know what is listed on the
"General" tab under the heading "This connection uses the following items."

Lem wrote:

> In addition to Gordon's and Malke's suggestions, also make sure that
> your Ethernet adapter is turned on. Go to Start > Control Panel >
> Network and Internet Connections > Network Connections.
>
> You should see an icon for "Local Area Connection." Does it say
> "Connected," "Disconnected," or "Disabled"? Right click on the icon
> and
> if there is a menu item to "enable" click on that. If it alread is
> enabled, click on "properties" and let us know what is listed on the
> "General" tab under the heading "This connection uses the following
> items."

Excellent point, Lem. I clean forgot about suggesting that the OP make
sure the ethernet adapter is enabled. Thanks for the reminder!

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Malke wrote:
> Lem wrote:
>
>
>>In addition to Gordon's and Malke's suggestions, also make sure that
>>your Ethernet adapter is turned on. Go to Start > Control Panel >
>>Network and Internet Connections > Network Connections.
>>
>>You should see an icon for "Local Area Connection." Does it say
>>"Connected," "Disconnected," or "Disabled"? Right click on the icon
>>and
>>if there is a menu item to "enable" click on that. If it alread is
>>enabled, click on "properties" and let us know what is listed on the
>>"General" tab under the heading "This connection uses the following
>>items."
>
>
> Excellent point, Lem. I clean forgot about suggesting that the OP make
> sure the ethernet adapter is enabled. Thanks for the reminder!
>
> Malke
Thanks again to all re your interest, sorry re delay in reply.

I phoned the ISP and they suggested I disconnect the USB, reconnect the
ethernet, and reboot, and if that did not work then to try run->cmd ->
ipconfig /release (i think!), and then switch of the modem, unplug, and
then run ->ipconfig / renew (?), and hey presto, it worked!! All
courtesy of a low dial number instead of the premium £1.50 per minute ,
maybe because she felt sorry don't know.

Now...

I have the Belkin Control panel software. What I now can't be sure of is
whether the wireless connection is secure. I can access the internet on
the wireless computer, thats now resolved. When I look for available
networks, it says, words to the effect " windows cant do this as it is
controlled by another program.."

How can I be certain that the wireless connection is secure, and how do
I go about it. Thanks again for all your support.


CJ

CJ wrote:
>> Malke
> Thanks again to all re your interest, sorry re delay in reply.
>
> I phoned the ISP and they suggested I disconnect the USB, reconnect
> the ethernet, and reboot, and if that did not work then to try
> run->cmd -> ipconfig /release (i think!), and then switch of the
> modem, unplug, and then run ->ipconfig / renew (?), and hey presto, it
> worked!! All courtesy of a low dial number instead of the premium
> £1.50 per minute , maybe because she felt sorry don't know.
>
> Now...
>
> I have the Belkin Control panel software. What I now can't be sure of
> is whether the wireless connection is secure. I can access the
> internet on the wireless computer, thats now resolved. When I look for
> available networks, it says, words to the effect " windows cant do
> this as it is controlled by another program.."
>
> How can I be certain that the wireless connection is secure, and how
> do I go about it. Thanks again for all your support.

You set up the wireless security on the router. I don't know what the
Belkin Control Panel software is. Normally with routers you just
configure them by entering the router's address in a browser's
addressbar. For ex., http://192.168.2.1 [enter]

Refer to your Belkin manual for how to configure the router. Basically
you want to:

1. Change the router administration password.
2. Change the SSID from the default to something you will recognize (but
I don't recommend using your family name)
3. Set encryption to match what your devices can handle. If the
computers connecting wirelessly can do WPA2-Personal, do that. If the
computers are older and can only do WEP, that is better than nothing.
4. Write down the changes you made.
5. You will enter the encryption key on all computers that will use the
wireless network.

Here are links to help you:

Wireless - Basic Configuration -
http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Config.html

Wireless - Basic Security - http://www.ezlan.net/Wireless_Security.html

MVP Barb Bowman on wireless security - http://tinyurl.com/56fc5

Tom's Hardware Wireless Security FAQs
http://www.tomsnetworking.com/2006/0...ity/index.html

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

CJ wrote:
> Malke wrote:
>> Lem wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In addition to Gordon's and Malke's suggestions, also make sure that
>>> your Ethernet adapter is turned on. Go to Start > Control Panel >
>>> Network and Internet Connections > Network Connections.
>>>
>>> You should see an icon for "Local Area Connection." Does it say
>>> "Connected," "Disconnected," or "Disabled"? Right click on the icon
>>> and
>>> if there is a menu item to "enable" click on that. If it alread is
>>> enabled, click on "properties" and let us know what is listed on the
>>> "General" tab under the heading "This connection uses the following
>>> items."
>>
>>
>> Excellent point, Lem. I clean forgot about suggesting that the OP make
>> sure the ethernet adapter is enabled. Thanks for the reminder!
>>
>> Malke
> Thanks again to all re your interest, sorry re delay in reply.
>
> I phoned the ISP and they suggested I disconnect the USB, reconnect the
> ethernet, and reboot, and if that did not work then to try run->cmd ->
> ipconfig /release (i think!), and then switch of the modem, unplug, and
> then run ->ipconfig / renew (?), and hey presto, it worked!! All
> courtesy of a low dial number instead of the premium £1.50 per minute ,
> maybe because she felt sorry don't know.
>
> Now...
>
> I have the Belkin Control panel software. What I now can't be sure of is
> whether the wireless connection is secure. I can access the internet on
> the wireless computer, thats now resolved. When I look for available
> networks, it says, words to the effect " windows cant do this as it is
> controlled by another program.."
>
> How can I be certain that the wireless connection is secure, and how do
> I go about it. Thanks again for all your support.
>
>
> CJ

I'm confused. In your initial post, you did say that you had a Belkin
wireless router, but you also asked how to connect it to your computer
with an Ethernet cable. What wireless connection are you now talking
about? Another computer? If so, you haven't mentioned what model of
wireless adapter you have in that other computer.

In general, there are two ends to any wireless connection. The router
is one end and the "wireless network adapter" (connected to or built in
to your computer) is the other. These adapters are controlled by small
utility programs. Windows XP has one built in, but often the adapter
manufacturers supply their own version. Only one of these utilities (at
a time) can control the adapter. I don't know what the "Belkin Control
Panel" is, but sounds as if you have things set so that the mfr's
utility is in charge. Typically, there is a way in these utilities to
(a) look for available networks and (b) disable them and allow Windows
XP to control things. If you specify the make and model of the adapter,
we may be able to provide more detail.

As to security, you need to set that up in the router. If you didn't do
it, it's not secure. Generally, this requires you to log into the
router's configuration pages (open a web browser on the computer that's
connected to the router by the Ethernet cable and enter 192.168.2.1 in
the address bar and press {enter]. You should see a login page. Unless
you changed it, the Belkin login password is blank. Just click the
"submit" button. Then go to the "Wireless" section. Here, you should
change the router's "SSID" (the name by which you will recognize your
network) from its default (belkin54g) to something unique (like CJsNet).
Click "apply changes." You should also find the "wireless security"
or "encryption" pages.

On Belkin routers, your encryption choices include WEP (64 or 128 bit)
and WPA-PSK (Home no server). For the latter, you will also be offered
the choice of TKIP or AES encryption. Assuming that you bought the
wireless adapter at about the same time you bought the router, choose
WPA-PSK with AES encryption. This is the strongest encryption you have
available. Pick a reasonably long and complicated password, but one
that you can remember. See your router documentation for further detail
(it's on the CD that came with the router).
--
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